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 Post subject: I wasn't convinced this was possible [Graphic]
PostPosted: June 16th, 2018, 11:06 pm 
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Been a long time since I posted. But saw this video linked on imgur to a low views video on youtube. So not sure if this has made the rounds at all yet. Seemed worth posting to get people's thoughts on. The way I understood it is that constrictors generally do not get big enough to fully consume an adult human due to the width of human shoulders. That a child is a possibility and does occasionally happen. But that a fully grown adult was at least highly unlikely.

Maybe I don't understand the subject well enough (that's actually highly likely). But I've looked it up before and have only ever found bad still images or terrible video with little to no background information. Likely all of the evidence of this happening that I've personally seen could easily be hoaxes/mis-identification. This is the first thing I've seen that's actually compelling.

As mentioned in the title this is graphic. It's a deceased woman (Wa Tiba age 54. Resident of Lawela Village, Lohia Sub-district, Muna District, Southeast Sulawesi). Being cut free from the belly of the Python that supposedly killed and devoured her.

https://youtu.be/sKSQ2I95DJU


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PostPosted: June 17th, 2018, 4:55 am 

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I have to agree. Prior stories lacked credibility. This made the rounds yesterday and was picked up by several news agencies. It appears to be the most authentic evidence I have seen. I would like to hear others on this forum with more experience weigh in.


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PostPosted: June 17th, 2018, 8:08 am 
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Well I think one thing worth noting is that these people are Indonesian. According to wiki the average male height in Indonesia is 5'2 and for females it's 4'10. That only gives us a rough idea though. Indonesia spans a large area and like with any place there are a lot of ethnic groups. But if we make the reasonable assumption that these people are not very far off from the average for their area of the world. Then they are fairly small as people go. Devouring your average Western man might be out of the question. But these people would seem to be about the size of one of our teenagers. Which is still fairly large. Still it I'm thinking it must have been an absolute Goliath of a snake. But it does seem to pull it more into the realm of plausibility.


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PostPosted: June 19th, 2018, 5:18 am 
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I’ve seen many hoaxes but this one looks authentic.

If you ever travel to SE Asia you’ll appreciate that the average sizes and statures of these good folks are dramatically different than European and northern Asian decedents.


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PostPosted: June 20th, 2018, 2:33 pm 
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craigb wrote:
I have to agree. Prior stories lacked credibility. This made the rounds yesterday and was picked up by several news agencies. It appears to be the most authentic evidence I have seen. I would like to hear others on this forum with more experience weigh in.


Ive had snakes try to eat me but none of them succeeded. This one looks like a success. Whilst it lasted.

You know Ive always just thought its only logical that it could happen, ok rarely but cripes we're swarmin all over the place some crossing of paths would end up with a human taken, all mechanics and variables combined, aside, or what have ya


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PostPosted: June 21st, 2018, 1:04 pm 
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Fake. What a coincidence. Last year a nearly Identical vid. made the news rounds. That one also involved a 23ft python. That time it was a 25yr old man eaten. Video technology and the ability to create extremely realistic fakes is now available to anyone. For starters I've had numerus discussions with the guys that own snake skin business's in Indo. If you want to learn about pythons... abundance, sizes etc. these guys know more then anyone. They aren't finding 23ft snakes. But yet one after another pops up in these village's. Consuming people no less ! Secondly there is the anatomical mechanic's involved. A 75 lb pig folds into a neat cylindrical shape about 6" between the shoulders, swallowing even a very small person would prove to be a nearly if not entirely impossible task for a giant snake due the difficulty in first negotiating the rounded head and then having to make a monumental readjustment to clear the shoulders . In a previous thread I posted a pic. of a New Guinea tribesman aprox. 4ft. 8" holding a truly gigantic reticulated python that thoroughly illustrated this point. It never fails as fast as these click bait story's appear they disappear with out a shred of supporting evidence. Fake. A good rule of thumb. If it comes out of Indo, its a lie.


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PostPosted: June 21st, 2018, 2:37 pm 
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So the pic of the small yet broad shouldered tribesman holding the gigantic python is clear proof that a human can never be taken.

Ok thats cool. We get this is what you think. No need to re explain.


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PostPosted: June 21st, 2018, 4:42 pm 
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I get what your saying I think most do, and most pay no mind to length quotes, its the curious iconry that is dramatic but also just interesting.

There are many factors in all encounters and I have always thought a version of anti-worm (neuroethology toad study) ie; anti-prey shape and perspective in a snake's risk and recognition tendencies have something to do with the scarcity of data or actual human as prey events but I still think its possible, thats all.


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PostPosted: June 25th, 2018, 8:45 pm 
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Headland and Greene's paper on snake attacks is interesting. In spite of the high rate of attacks by giant pythons, I don't think there were any successful ingestions of adults.


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PostPosted: June 26th, 2018, 5:25 am 
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Bryan, Headland and Greene's paper ( http://www.pnas.org/content/108/52/E1470 ) is fascinating.


Maybe I missed it in the paper, but they couldn’t address a member of the Agta folks just vanishing. It seems probable that when a community member just disappears, it may well have been a predation incident.
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It’s probable that the video is a well done fake, with modern video manipulation capabilities, but it also doesn’t change the feasibility that at least sometimes these people of small stature and hunter-gatherer life style become McNuggets to a large retic.


The conical shape of a deer, a pig, or a rat is true, and the shoulders of a western person would probably be a swallowing barrier, but probably not so much for a southeast Asian woman or child.


From Table two of the study:
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Table 2.
Fatal attacks on six Agta by reticulated pythons
Victim's name....Sex....Year of death....Age......Comments
Dinsiweg...........Male'''''''∼1940..........Adult........Ayogyog said the man was killed at Dinapgigi (16° 31′ N, 122° 06' E);
..................................................................the next day, the man's son Sinayatan found the snake, cut it open,
..................................................................and found the body, which Ayogyog helped bury.


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Anecdotally, I can’t help but think back to a few times when a captive snake just amazed me with the elasticity of its jaws:

Once with a 27 inch Columbian Boa eating a full grown rat. (It looked like a football with a little head and tail! :lol: :lol: )

Another when a young Large-spotted Cat Snake (Boiga multomaculata) with a pencil thin head, neck and body ate a lizard ( Acanthosaura capra ) with a head (with almost no tapering) that was easily 5 or 6 times the diameter of the snake.
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This pic from their study is a dramatic reference of size:


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PostPosted: June 26th, 2018, 11:17 am 
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In reading some of my own conversation about this topic, it almost sounds like I want pythons to eat people more.

Dang. Do I?


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PostPosted: June 27th, 2018, 12:01 pm 
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You probably do. And that's OK.


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PostPosted: June 28th, 2018, 4:39 pm 
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Thanks Bry ;)


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