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Post by MuayThaipan » September 28th, 2011, 6:29 pm

Im planning on perhaps opening a small reptile speciality store. I will do a few morphs but my mine interest lately is odd-ball colubrids, what are some Genus's you'd like to see people trying to establish that arent readily available. I'm talking things like Spilotes, Pseustes, Trimorphodon, and Meheyla. What other colubrids do you think would be popular in herpetoculture once established?

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Post by monklet » September 29th, 2011, 6:49 am

100 Flower Snake ...wouldn't want to see them on every table, but at least one now and then.

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Post by Paul White » September 29th, 2011, 8:10 am

really hard to say. There's tons of animals out there that are at least semi-solidly established--cribos for instance, mussuranas, king rats, beauties, trans pecos rats, etc that are available, but not common and just don't seem to be that popular for reasons that escape me. I mean they all have people passionate about them sure but they're just not as popular as kings corns and balls.

Psuestes and Spilotes are cool but I think thier size and care needs kind of limit the market for them. They're not as big as retics but they are rather large and need arboreal caging appropriate for an active 8' snake.

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Post by gbin » September 29th, 2011, 6:08 pm

I haven't been to a herp show in a while now, but when I used to go it seemed that there was always interest in scarlet kingsnakes. Sadly, that interest was generally met with wildcaught animals that were masquerading as captive-bred, or less often genuinely captive-bred animals that were being sold while still too young and small for new, inexperienced owners to have much hope of success with them. When I was working with the species my intent was to produce them in abundance and raise them to the point where they weren't so hard for a novice to keep; I wanted to flood the market with such and put some of those tree-stripping bucket collectors out of the trade. But that was a lot of work, I tried to do too much of it too fast and as a result I got burned out. From a purely commercial perspective it might be worth working with a couple of pairs or so of the species, anyway. (And it would still help undermine those bucket collectors at least a bit.) It would take an investment of time and effort to get the hatchlings to a reasonable selling size, though, like I said.

I'm personally crazy about (and worked with) lyre snakes, too, but there really aren't that many other people out there who are.

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Post by Paul White » September 29th, 2011, 6:59 pm

I love lyres, just leery about lizard lovers.

Sorry, had to :) In all seriousness though, I think they and night snakesa re neat but I've heard tons of horror stories about them not switchingt.

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Post by -EJ » September 30th, 2011, 9:05 am

You couldn't keep a shop open that way... it's been tried. As mentioned... the asian rats... Thousand Flower Rat... Bamboo Racers... Madarins... I don't think any of these will ever be popular as the corns or kings.
MuayThaipan wrote:Im planning on perhaps opening a small reptile speciality store. I will do a few morphs but my mine interest lately is odd-ball colubrids, what are some Genus's you'd like to see people trying to establish that arent readily available. I'm talking things like Spilotes, Pseustes, Trimorphodon, and Meheyla. What other colubrids do you think would be popular in herpetoculture once established?

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Post by SurfinHerp » September 30th, 2011, 9:22 am

I'll vote for longnose snakes. They're colorful, varied, and easy to care for. Pretty much the same as kingsnakes, only more nocturnal.
I also love lyre snakes, but I suppose they're tricky to get feeding.

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Post by -EJ » September 30th, 2011, 9:36 am

One of my most favorite snakes was the Mexican longnose. They were easier to get feeding than the western longnose... and there's the rub... they are a bitch to get feeding as Wild Caughts and who wants to breed them fro what?
SurfinHerp wrote:I'll vote for longnose snakes. They're colorful, varied, and easy to care for. Pretty much the same as kingsnakes, only more nocturnal.
I also love lyre snakes, but I suppose they're tricky to get feeding.

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Post by MuayThaipan » September 30th, 2011, 1:58 pm

The longnose snakes are a good suggestion, as for getting Lyres to feed I lways used organic disolable sutures to graft mice onto lizard parts to switch them over, Its quite easy that way, Other snakes I've already placed orders for or am on waiting lists for are Albino bloods with all the new morphs popping up I feel these will be very popular soon, a couple het for pieball ball pythons (the only ball python morph I like., A few Erpeton which I've never had much luck with but will try again, and a few calabar pythons, I suppose to spice this thread up I should add some pics of my own captive animals.
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Post by gbin » September 30th, 2011, 5:20 pm

MuayThaipan wrote:... for getting Lyres to feed I lways used organic disolable sutures to graft mice onto lizard parts to switch them over...
I've done that, too. What ghouls we herpers can be! :lol:

Lovely animals you have!

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Post by herpseeker1978 » September 30th, 2011, 5:58 pm

MuayThaipan wrote:... for getting Lyres to feed I lways used organic disolable sutures to graft mice onto lizard parts to switch them over...
Where do you get the sutures? is it easy to do?

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Post by -EJ » October 1st, 2011, 2:13 am

I had a california Mt king that I would only have to rub a piece of anole on the mouse item to get it to feed. In 10 years it would never take an unscented mouse. I just had to rub the lizard piece on the nose of the mouse.

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Post by monklet » October 1st, 2011, 7:43 am

MuayThaipan wrote:as for getting Lyres to feed I lways used organic disolable sutures to graft mice onto lizard parts to switch them over, Its quite easy that way
Ingenious! Fortunately I didn't have to bother with my wc...
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Post by Hornemadness » October 1st, 2011, 2:19 pm

small tropical boas from genuses like candoia, ugalophis, triphodophis etc. Skinks like pink tongue skinks and blue tongues that arent northerns or indonesians. The many kinds of alligator arbornia and legless lizards.

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Post by MuayThaipan » October 1st, 2011, 5:07 pm

Tropidophis and Ungaliophis are great suggestions but almost impossible to find. I'm not much into Lizards aside from Varanids, Im getting a salvadorii (croc) soon but the genus's I have decided upon aside from the arboreal Varanids are Uromastyx and Tribolonotus. Abronia is a great suggestion. I wonder who is breeding those now-a-days or where a man would find those.
I've done that, too. What ghouls we herpers can be!
Me and Kristen Wiley were euthanizing mice one day at the Kentucky reptile zoo venom lab one day Gerry carrying on a normal conversation, after about 45 minutes Kristen looked down at the now large pile of dead mice in front of us and stated "You know, there may be something wrong with us." We had a good laugh at that.
Fsion of our Lyre snakes.

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Post by MuayThaipan » October 1st, 2011, 5:13 pm

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Post by gbin » October 1st, 2011, 6:11 pm

Ummm, it's good that you acknowledged that the pictures you posted weren't taken by you, but that's actually only part of the equation. The other part is whether the pictures' owners gave you permission to use their work... :?: :?: :?:

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Post by justinm » October 1st, 2011, 8:11 pm

Well then here's an Abronia that I took a shot of, it's being held by a few of our forum members, Don aka Psyon and ChadKS is the one being bitten.

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Post by MuayThaipan » October 1st, 2011, 8:47 pm

Good call Gerry I deleted them so no one would get upset.

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Post by MuayThaipan » October 1st, 2011, 8:48 pm

Those lizards are super awesome Justin, now where to find some?

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Post by justinm » October 2nd, 2011, 7:04 pm

There are a few people breeding them captively from what I understand. I don't have them and have never worked with them. I was just very privileged to photo them and handle them.

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Post by Aaron » October 2nd, 2011, 8:34 pm

Probably not very lucrative but there seems to be a few people out there interested in shovelnose snakes. I have heard from a couple people that wc adults do well in a cage with sand substrate and fed crickets. When the shovelnose sense the crickets crawling around they come up out of the sand and eat them.

If they could live a long life, thrive and breed on a mainly cricket diet there might be a niche for them because they are small(thus not intimidating to parents) and alot of people like snakes but don't like the thought of feeding them cute little mice.

Other snakes in this niche might be groundsnakes and rough green snakes. Potential problems might be groundsnakes might need spiders, not crickets, and rough green snakes might need natural and/or artificial light. Also rough green snakes are commercial collected in large numbers and sell for very cheap but they might be worth your time if you are already set up for insectivores.

I have also seen some absolutely gorgeous gartersnakes posted. I think it was the coast garter and/or red-sided garter that has a really beautiful red morph that occurs naturally in the wild. They would make a great selective breeding project.

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Post by Hornemadness » October 6th, 2011, 7:44 am

Arbornia are sometimes for sale on kingsnake or faunaclassifieds. They arent cheap though, and from what i understand they are very sensitive about high temps (anything over 80?). Generalexotics had another species of arbornia, not the green kind, for a while. Calabars make great pets, i used to have a 1:5 group and still have a pair. They are pretty easy to breed too. most people though have trouble incubating the eggs. For whatever reason they always die before hatching. Ugalophis and the other small lesser known boas look really nice and seem to be easy keepers. Most small boas are pretty popular, so i would imagine these would be too. Smaller animals have always been favorites of mine since for the most part ive lived in apartments were big animals were out of the question. I think that as people lose their houses and start moving into apartments and smaller spaces there will be more of a demand for smaller animals. Plus its easier to provide a small animals with alot of space.

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Post by Rick Staub » October 6th, 2011, 1:28 pm

Similar to the lyre snake, I was partial to the tiger snake (Telescopus semiannulatus) after seeing one in Namibia. What a cool snake. Unlikely to ever become popular just like every other lizard specialist.

Calabars are too difficult to breed, but doable. Their small clutch size, fossorial nature and drab colors also prevent them from ever becoming popular.

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Post by Zach_Lim » October 6th, 2011, 2:28 pm

I love calabars! I have always wanted one as a pet. Like a more colorful rubber boa.

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Post by Joshua Jones » October 6th, 2011, 2:51 pm

What about Pseudoxenodon Sp?

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Post by Cole Grover » October 6th, 2011, 2:53 pm

Zach_Lim wrote:I love calabars! I have always wanted one as a pet. Like a more colorful rubber boa.
... That doesn't have to spend a couple months out of the year in the fridge! I agree. Cool animals. And that's coming from someone with a colony of rubber boas!

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Post by -EJ » October 6th, 2011, 4:20 pm

That's impressive.

[quote="Rick Staub"]Similar to the lyre snake, I was partial to the tiger snake (Telescopus semiannulatus) after seeing one in Namibia. What a cool snake. Unlikely to ever become popular just like every other lizard specialist.

Calabars are too difficult to breed, but doable. Their small clutch size, fossorial nature and drab colors also prevent them from ever becoming popular.

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Post by Joseph S. » October 7th, 2011, 12:20 pm

I think if calabars became better adapted to captivity they could develop a following.

You guys should make a distinction between expensive/rare and unpopular. Sure it'd be great if their were more Abronia around, or more blotched blue tongues. But that is not because people aren't working with them. People want to work with them.

I will go ahead and pitch again for eggeating snakes. I honestly think that large individuals of these are just as easy as any other colubrid to keep. They would work well for people who want a snake but don't want to deal with live food.

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Post by Paul White » October 7th, 2011, 12:37 pm

Yeah if we're counting just "I can't find them" then add Oxybelis fulgidus and shinglebacks to the list. *salivate*

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Post by ratsnakehaven » October 7th, 2011, 6:29 pm

I'm waiting for Elaphe davidi, David's ratsnake, to get to the U. S. A guy in Beijing is breeding them, as well as a breeder in Europe. Also, a lot of mutant ratsnakes would be well accepted in the U. S., imho, such as albino Elaphe bimaculata and Elaphe dione.

South and Central America has a host of colubrids I feel would be popular among colubrid lovers, which I've never seen for sale before. It's amazing to me that more of these species don't make it to the U. S.

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Post by Rick Staub » October 9th, 2011, 10:08 am

Here is another species you do not see much of. Loxocemus bicolor

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Post by Paul White » October 9th, 2011, 10:18 am

Rick, I was unaware that anyone was breeding those. Very nice!

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Post by Joseph S. » October 9th, 2011, 10:24 am

Paul: Exactly...Shinglebacks are not unpopular whatsoever. Actually, I think that's the case for Loxocemus as well.

ratsnakehaven: A lot of the Elaphe seem to be underepresented. Lots of cool species going for relatively good prices but little interest. Same goes for a lot of the Central/SA colubrids. It could be that no one is having much success with the WC imports however. Wonder what happen to all those Langaha that were imported a few months ago?

croteseeker: Pseudoxenodon sp. probably falls into the area where people are interested but they keep dying. At least I am but I have yet to hear of anyone having any success with them.

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Post by ratsnakehaven » October 10th, 2011, 6:24 am

Joseph S. wrote:ratsnakehaven: A lot of the Elaphe seem to be underepresented. Lots of cool species going for relatively good prices but little interest. Same goes for a lot of the Central/SA colubrids. It could be that no one is having much success with the WC imports however. Wonder what happen to all those Langaha that were imported a few months ago?

Just following up on the ratsnakes (Old World Elaphe group + New World ratsnakes), which is what I've specialized in since about 1980. I'd like to make a couple points.

One point especially is that breeders tend to buy into the species they think are going to be the most popular and bring in the most bucks. I've seen it time and again, folks will buy into a species which is difficult to maintain and reproduce, and they don't hardly have the basic knowledge to start with. Many times I've relayed info on a species like the Mandarin ratsnake, so that a newbie could get his newly acquired pair started. Often times it's a w/c pair too, that may or may not have physical problems on arrival.

Popular these days are the Vietnamese rhino ratsnakes, not a true ratsnake; the Southeast Asian green ratsnakes; and the mountain, or bamboo, ratsnakes. None of these snakes make very good pets, imo, nor are they very easy to maintain and breed. They are interesting and pretty to look at and many breeders have had success reproducing them, but my point is that some Old World ratsnakes are much easier to work with and make nicer pets, and yet they hardly ever are purchased in the hobby. Two species that I've worked with since 1996, the Chinese twin-spotted ratsnake and the Dione's ratsnake, are small, easy to maintain, and easy to reproduce ratsnakes from East Asia. The bimacs are a little challenging, but the dione is about the easiest snake I've ever worked with. I've spent years trying to figure out why folks don't have more interest in these species. It might have something to do with them being very inexpensive too.

Morphs, or mutations for the more technical among us, are very popular in the hobby. Most beginners like to pick a popular "pet" species, such as a corn snake, kingsnake, boa or python, and later get into the morphs, after they've figured out how to maintain and breed their pet. Often times a morph will command very high prices, whereas the normal form they started with sells for less than the shipping cost. At the Tucson Show last month I saw a breeder selling a corn snake morph for $600 to $700. Normal corns can be purchased for as low as $15. For these folks it isn't about the snake or the species, but rather about the color and pattern and the money.

There are many individuals in the hobby who are very interested in a species in its own right, or maybe even developing a species for the hobby that they think would make a great addition. These tend to be folks who don't care that much about the money they make, but enjoy the hobby for the entertainment aspect. Getting to know certain keepers and maintaining some kind of relationship is important if you want to deal with these people and socialize with like-minded folks. I tend to like ratsnakes, but also have an interest in all colubrids, including some of the more exotic. Learning about a new species and how to maintain it can be exciting for some of us, but I think the vast majority fit into the tried and proven mold with thousands of followers.

New species imported into the hobby will be scoffed up either by the hobbyist who wants to try a new species, or the hobbyist who wants to try to profit off of something new. Either way, these are folks who are willing to take chances. The vast majority are going to stick with the same ol' species and maybe just a new morph. That's my opinion, and since I didn't have anything else to do for the last hour, I decided to bore y'all with it...LOL.

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Post by Paul White » October 10th, 2011, 7:21 am

I'm right there with you on not understanding why more old world rats aren't popular. I dig Chinese King Rats a lot but you don't see them much and I don't get why not. The other Elaphe are all in the same boat. I can probably count on both hands the number of actual Elaphe I've seen at shows and shops over the years.

It's different working with animals that aren't well represented; you have to learn to read more of thier behavior which can be challenging but it's also interesting and rewarding.
I don't know that I can consider rhinos and coxi hard from what I've heard, but they're certainly a bit different. I'm sure the cribos I plan to get later are too.

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Post by Paul White » October 10th, 2011, 7:44 am

forgive the n00b question, but what is that?

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Post by Joshua Jones » October 10th, 2011, 8:06 am

A light-colored P. bambusicola?

P. karlschmidti?

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Post by ratsnakehaven » October 10th, 2011, 8:31 am

The more I think about this, the more I realize that each of us has a set of criteria. I think mine is pretty straight forward, since I've been working on this for many years. Here's the main part of my list in a priority order....

1. Area of specialization.... I tend to prefer colubrid snakes, especially ratsnakes and kingsnakes, or some related species. I like developing new "pet" snakes, or new species that could be kept fairly easily.

2. Size and form.... I prefer the smaller species, especially around the three to four foot range. Ratsnakes have the form I like best, somewhat generalized, but kinda long, medium build, and a short tail.

3. Color and pattern.... I like earthy tones, but somewhat colorful snakes, and a nice pattern is good too. My snakes tend to be blotched, often with a light gray background, and reddish-brown pattern.

4. Behavior and history.... Best pets usually have a mild temper and are easily handleable. Sometimes a snake can be fiesty, hiss or rattle, etc, or even exude musk, and must have other redeeming qualities, if they aren't too handeable. I need to know who has worked with the stock I'm getting and whether they are captive born or wild caught, etc.

5. Ease of maintenance.... I only keep snakes that eat mice or can be converted. I don't keep live mice anymore, so they would have to eat frozen-thawed. Some snakes do better in captivity than others, obviously, so how well they take to the environment I provide is important. Whether they need a lengthy brumation, or not, is important.

6. Locality.... I prefer locality information with any snakes I take on. Sometimes I even prefer to collect my own starter stock, or to get my stock from someone who has wild caught animals to breed from.

7. Breeders/dealers.... I only buy from reputable dealers and mostly only deal with people I know well.

8. Morphs.... I like snakes that can produce morphs also. Often times it's easier to get rid of excess babies if you have a morph, like an albino, in your line of snakes. It adds to the variety of what you can produce too.

9. Cost and popularity.... I have purchased expensive snakes before, in order to get a species or form that I really wanted at the time; but generally I prefer to work with snakes that are less expensive, not so much to avoid the initial cost, but because I just don't like making my hobby into much of a business. I usually don't care much how popular the snake is, but many people do, so some of my snakes are going to be quite popular.

That's all for now, or at least until I get more free time like this morning.

Best.... TC :crazyeyes:

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Post by ratsnakehaven » October 10th, 2011, 8:39 am

Joseph S. wrote:Image

Joseph, you tease. That's animal is incredible... :thumb:

Probably some type of xenodontine, like maybe Xendon? Maybe this is pseudoxendon?

PS: I do like the hognoses and this type of colubrid too..haha!

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Post by Joshua Jones » October 10th, 2011, 8:45 am

Terry, the pattern fading from bars to more of a checkered pattern definitely makes me think it's a Pseudoxenodon, rather than a Xenodon. All I know for sure, though, is that I WANT one! :lol:

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Post by ratsnakehaven » October 10th, 2011, 9:02 am

Here's a couple of my favorites that I don't feel are represented enough in the hobby. (Hope we're not stealing this thread.)

Baby Chinese twin-spotted ratsnake, Elaphe bimaculata...
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An adult South Korean Dione's ratsnake, Elaphe dione....
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Some more of my snakes on Photobucket....
http://s234.photobucket.com/albums/ee27 ... 1QQtppZZ16

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Re: Reptiles you feel should be better represented, Pics now

Post by -EJ » October 10th, 2011, 9:03 am

Not a noob question at all... I was wondering the same thing... What's the P. stand for?
Paul White wrote:forgive the n00b question, but what is that?

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Re: Reptiles you feel should be better represented, Pics now

Post by ratsnakehaven » October 10th, 2011, 9:15 am

-EJ wrote:Not a noob question at all... I was wondering the same thing... What's the P. stand for?
Paul White wrote:forgive the n00b question, but what is that?

Probably Pseudoxenodon... ;)

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Re: Reptiles you feel should be better represented, Pics now

Post by ratsnakehaven » October 10th, 2011, 9:21 am

Here's another small, Asian ratsnake, Oocatochis rufodorstata....
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Ventral view....
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These snakes have been imported by the hundreds, but have not been established by breeders that I know of, so captive bred aren't on the agenda. The couple have I have gotten hold of have had parasites and were in a weakened condition. They are also fish eaters, most of the time.

TC :roll:

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Re: Reptiles you feel should be better represented, Pics now

Post by justinm » October 10th, 2011, 9:29 am

Fish eaters are doable. I kept some Liophis sp., and they were great snakes. Both passed on the same day after being fed mice... One was CB, the other WC from Uruguay. They were super interesting snakes, that I would like to have again someday.

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Re: Reptiles you feel should be better represented, Pics now

Post by Cole Grover » October 10th, 2011, 10:35 am

Joseph, is that one of the animals you hatched, or is it one of your adults? (It's a Dasypeltis, guys.)

To respond to the main topic, I think some of the smaller, invertebrate specialist Colubrids would be neat to see more. They tend to be abundant (well, everywhere but Montana) and have some interesting life histories... plus, some of them are friggin' awesome looking! Think about Diadophis or Carphophis (I know Justin's with me on this!).

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Re: Reptiles you feel should be better represented, Pics now

Post by Paul White » October 10th, 2011, 10:40 am

Fish I can do, bugs I can do. but ones that require other herps to be healthy are probably out for financial reasons if nothing else.

TC, have you ever worked with diadems? I've lusted after those before but never found a good source. Neat lookign critters though and you seem to have lots of interesting less common stuff.

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Re: Reptiles you feel should be better represented, Pics now

Post by Joshua Jones » October 10th, 2011, 12:17 pm

Cole Grover wrote: (It's a Dasypeltis, guys.)

-Cole
That's awesome! It stands to reason that egg-eaters could hood, but for some reason, I've never seen it or even considered the possibility. Right on. :thumb:

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