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 Post subject: Italian Wall Lizard Populations
PostPosted: May 30th, 2017, 7:15 pm 

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Hello,
I mostly herp in the NY/NJ area tracking down Wall Lizard populations. I have managed to find them in 4 of the 5 boroughs as well as NY state & NJ. I have absolutely fallen in love with these little guys in the past year or so since I first saw them in Westbury, NY. I am mainly trying to track down the population in Manhattan to concur all 5 boroughs and more populations in Brooklyn cause ... BROOKLYN!!!! Would anyone happen to know where the Manhattan population is or any others in the NY Metro area? Below is a list of all the population I know of, any additional info would be greatly appreciated.

New Jersey
-Mnt Laurel Municipal Area & Adjacent Neighborhood Verified

Pennsylvania
-Bucks County, not sure where though.

New York State
-Hasting-On-Hudson Verified
-Much of Central Nassau County (Garden City, Hempstead, Westbury) Verified

The Bronx
-New York Botanical Gardens Verified
-Pelham Bay Park (Searched but couldn't find any, info on where in park would be greatly appreciated)

Queens
-Queens College Verified
-Queens Botanical Gardens Verified
-Mnt Zion Cemetery Verified
-Much of the Queens Cemetery Belt

Brooklyn
-Washing Cemetery Verified
-Freinds Field Verified
-Cypress Hills Cemetery
-Highland Park Verified

-Brooklyn College????

Staten Island
-Historic Richmondtown Verified
-United Hebrew Cemetery Verified
-New Dorp???

Connecticut
-Cos Cobs Train Station & RR Right-of-Way south to the bridge Verified
-Neighborhood east of tracks/ south of railway station Verified

Massachusetts
-Fenway Victory Gardens Boston


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 Post subject: Re: Italian Wall Lizard Populations
PostPosted: May 31st, 2017, 8:47 am 
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Sounds like a fun project. Have you done a literature search, and also checked out VertNet for records?


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 Post subject: Re: Italian Wall Lizard Populations
PostPosted: June 1st, 2017, 6:04 am 

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I've done literature research, a few articles I'm still digging for. Havnt checked out Vert Net, haft to do that, I also use iNaturalist & Eddsmaps a lot too. Had a few conversations with Dr. Bruke at Hofstra too. Was pretty proud I found the population in Joplin, MO a few months ago when I was out there


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 Post subject: Re: Italian Wall Lizard Populations
PostPosted: June 1st, 2017, 8:23 am 
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Carl98 wrote:
I've done literature research, a few articles I'm still digging for. Havnt checked out Vert Net, haft to do that, I also use iNaturalist & Eddsmaps a lot too. Had a few conversations with Dr. Bruke at Hofstra too. Was pretty proud I found the population in Joplin, MO a few months ago when I was out there


How long has that population been there? I wasn't aware of it (not that I follow wall lizards too closely, but I did enjoy finding them in Topeka, KS).


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PostPosted: June 1st, 2017, 7:07 pm 

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chris_mcmartin wrote:
Carl98 wrote:
I've done literature research, a few articles I'm still digging for. Havnt checked out Vert Net, haft to do that, I also use iNaturalist & Eddsmaps a lot too. Had a few conversations with Dr. Bruke at Hofstra too. Was pretty proud I found the population in Joplin, MO a few months ago when I was out there


How long has that population been there? I wasn't aware of it (not that I follow wall lizards too closely, but I did enjoy finding them in Topeka, KS).


Only a couple years. A guy from Joplin caught a few in Topeka and either deliberetly or accidently released them. Here's an article about them
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.lacerta.de/AS/Artikel/Artikel_186.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwiLotCmlp7UAhWJ64MKHaAwD8cQFggbMAA&usg=AFQjCNHOzjX661Z-AIaytfzvla2zcrPmcg&sig2=jvR4gretg45f4MzSYXPd4w


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PostPosted: June 1st, 2017, 7:47 pm 
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I'm expecting a paper or a thesis of your work. QI.


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PostPosted: June 7th, 2017, 2:25 pm 
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there is a verified population in san pedro california as well


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PostPosted: June 8th, 2017, 10:57 am 
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In the late sixties, though none could probably prove it, or admit it, many folks interested in herps attributed the Lawrence, KS, 1962 population to a release by a herpetology student at the University of Kansas. This was often accompanied by a wink and a nod! :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Italian Wall Lizard Populations
PostPosted: June 9th, 2017, 4:52 am 
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BillMcGighan wrote:
In the late sixties, though none could probably prove it, or admit it, many folks interested in herps attributed the Lawrence, KS, 1962 population to a release by a herpetology student at the University of Kansas. This was often accompanied by a wink and a node! :lol:


Hard to say definitively. Haven't heard of any in Lawrence. The Topeka population centers around the former location of a pet store. Anecdotally, they don't spread any further because the native Great Plains Skinks (found on the outskirts of town) are said to eat them.


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 Post subject: Re: Italian Wall Lizard Populations
PostPosted: June 9th, 2017, 8:06 am 
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The Kansas Herp Atlas ( http://webapps.fhsu.edu/ksfauna/herps/i ... ra=&map=ks ) shows them appearing in 1999, but I talked to folks in 1969 that had caught some near the university, and they said it was a 1962 population.


Your right about Topeka, Chris, or close enough:

In Topeka one of the most compelling stories is told by Larry Miller, a retired science teacher. He claims "the animals have been traced to a biological supply house known as Quivira Specialities, near S.W. 21st and Gage. Operated by a respected scientist, the business wasn’t a pet store. Rather, it supplied a variety of animals — including snakes, birds, lizards, turtles — to such places as public schools and universities."

There seems to be several stories of how they got out, but nothing substantiated!

I can totally believe the story that Great Plains Skinks limits them, after watching one in Oklahoma pin, crush, and eat a Sceloporous!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Italian Wall Lizard Populations
PostPosted: June 9th, 2017, 8:12 am 
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CNAH has what is probably a more credible history where it was the Topeka population that was recorded in 1962!

http://www.cnah.org/khs/khs_pubs/JKH_34.pdf


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 Post subject: Re: Italian Wall Lizard Populations
PostPosted: June 9th, 2017, 6:19 pm 
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I know of a verified population on the KY side of the Ohio River across from Cincinnati. I'm pretty sure John MacGregor, the state herpetologist who works for fish and game has been surveying it for several years. It's even on the Lizards of Kentucky poster :lol: :lol: .


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 Post subject: Re: Italian Wall Lizard Populations
PostPosted: June 14th, 2017, 4:48 am 

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kevin h wrote:
I know of a verified population on the KY side of the Ohio River across from Cincinnati. I'm pretty sure John MacGregor, the state herpetologist who works for fish and game has been surveying it for several years. It's even on the Lizards of Kentucky poster :lol: :lol: .

Those are a sister species known as the European Wall Lizard (Podarcis muralis). Going out to Chicago in July, going to,amake a pit-stop out on my way in Cinncinati to check them out.


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 Post subject: Re: Italian Wall Lizard Populations
PostPosted: June 17th, 2017, 8:50 am 

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I frequent Pelham Bay Park and have seen them basking on the track when no one is out for a jog. A friend and former colleague Robert Mendyk is done some work regarding them in the NY area. his publication will pop up if you do a search for his name


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 Post subject: Re: Italian Wall Lizard Populations
PostPosted: July 15th, 2017, 4:41 pm 

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csalemi731 wrote:
I frequent Pelham Bay Park and have seen them basking on the track when no one is out for a jog. A friend and former colleague Robert Mendyk is done some work regarding them in the NY area. his publication will pop up if you do a search for his name

Are you talking the track that the American Boy statue overlooks? I've only been there looking on memorial day, couldn't find any but it was packed.


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 Post subject: Re: Italian Wall Lizard Populations
PostPosted: July 18th, 2017, 11:03 am 

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Yes, that track.


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