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Mystery Snake from urban San Diego County

Post by Fieldnotes » October 7th, 2016, 10:25 pm

Anyone know what this snake is? Location will be kept secret for now, so not to cause bias
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Re: Mystery Snake

Post by ackee » October 8th, 2016, 5:06 am

Garter Snake?

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Re: Mystery Snake

Post by Kelly Mc » October 8th, 2016, 6:21 am

Is it a grass snake?

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Re: Mystery Snake

Post by Jimi » October 8th, 2016, 10:14 am

Some wandering garter snakes (T. e. vagrans) look an awful lot like that. It's an extremely variable snake though. And some other snakes come in earth tones, have blotches, etc...ha ha.

What's the context?

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Re: Mystery Snake

Post by Fieldnotes » October 8th, 2016, 10:44 am

I'm thinking its a checker-patterened Eastern Garter Snake. Lets give it another day or so for others to guess, then I'll post the3 location, which will only make this mystery snake harder to identify.

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Re: Mystery Snake

Post by Jeremy Wright » October 8th, 2016, 11:38 am

It looks like some of the Two Stripe / Hammonds Garter snakes I've seen if this sighting was in Socal...

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Re: Mystery Snake

Post by Kelly Mc » October 8th, 2016, 12:16 pm

Yeah its a checkery guy. Natrix mostly dabbed in a distal way but the blade of grass covering the neck made me think hmm

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Re: Mystery Snake

Post by Brian Hubbs » October 8th, 2016, 2:30 pm

Eastern Garter

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Re: Mystery Snake

Post by rpecora » October 8th, 2016, 5:36 pm

Checkered Garter

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Re: Mystery Snake

Post by Fieldnotes » October 8th, 2016, 7:46 pm

This snake is from a residential neighborhood in San Diego.

Jeremey could you posts those Two-stripe Garters snakes, espically if they have a middorsal stripe, like this one seems to have descending down the lateral portion of the body.

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Re: Mystery Snake

Post by Eimon » October 8th, 2016, 10:14 pm

Looks almost exactly like this.....................but this is a Wandering from upper-middle Utah! :)

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Re: Mystery Snake

Post by ackee » October 9th, 2016, 7:25 am

I've seen nearly identical checker patterned eastern Garter Snakes in central and south NJ. Not often, but every now and then.

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Re: Mystery Snake

Post by Jeremy Wright » October 9th, 2016, 10:30 am

Fieldnotes wrote:This snake is from a residential neighborhood in San Diego.

Jeremey could you posts those Two-stripe Garters snakes, espically if they have a middorsal stripe, like this one seems to have descending down the lateral portion of the body.
Sure! I'll have to dig back a while, it's been a few years, but I'll be happy to post them on here or pm them to you.
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Re: Mystery Snake

Post by Jeremy Wright » October 9th, 2016, 10:41 am

I'm not sure I have any with a middorsal stripe, but the pattern and color is similar. I'll get them up asap.

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Re: Mystery Snake from urban San Diego County

Post by Fieldnotes » October 9th, 2016, 10:53 am

Eimen, I agree it looks a lot like a Wandering Garter

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Re: Mystery Snake from urban San Diego County

Post by Brian Hubbs » October 9th, 2016, 4:16 pm

It's a terrible picture...that's what it is...

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Re: Mystery Snake from urban San Diego County

Post by Kelly Mc » October 9th, 2016, 4:40 pm

No excuse for the limb I fell off of though :lol:

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Re: Mystery Snake from urban San Diego County

Post by Jeremy Wright » October 9th, 2016, 8:36 pm

Imagestrange by Jeremy Wright Photography, on Flickr

Apologies for the terrible photo, but here is a Hammonds garter I saw with a friend years ago in the San Gabriels. All I had was a cell phone, and I know this photo doesn't show it well, but I do remember it having a very checkered pattern. I'm still looking for other shots I have of other individuals.

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Re: Mystery Snake from urban San Diego County

Post by Jeremy Wright » October 9th, 2016, 8:37 pm

That photo also has a bit of blue distortion. The snake was more brown and yellow, not so much black and blue.

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Re: Mystery Snake from urban San Diego County

Post by SurfinHerp » October 10th, 2016, 8:04 am

I think the mystery snake is just a nice-looking two-striped gartersnake.
It also appears that the cat may have dragged it out of a nearby canyon and back to its home with a grassy lawn. That wouldn't be too surprising to me.

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Re: Mystery Snake from urban San Diego County

Post by Jimi » October 10th, 2016, 10:58 am

I think the mystery snake is just a nice-looking two-striped gartersnake.
Agreed, now that we know it's in San Diego. Could have been a lot of things. Most of those things fall far away in likelihood, now there's some geographical context. Not likely a Natrix, a Rhabdophis, etc. Could still be an escaped pet garter from somewhere - near or far - east of SD. That isn't too unlikely. But I think native is more probable.

It could be interesting, regardless, to know more precisely where the snake was taken. (And, is the corpse available for museum deposition?) My impression is that 2-stripes aren't exactly booming within the human footprint, the more so the further west one goes. Did it come from nearby one of the bigger, more-eastern preserves like Mission Trails or the "new" FWS Refuge along the Sweetwater?

Looks like the coyotes are slacking on the job...

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Re: Mystery Snake from urban San Diego County

Post by Brian Hubbs » October 11th, 2016, 9:32 am

Well, just to be a contrary person, I do NOT think that's a two-stripe. I've never seen a blotched two-stripe in SD or anywhere near SD. I still say it's an Eastern garter that escaped from someone. And i don't think we can really pinpoint what it is by that photo.

THIS is what SD 2-stripes look like...

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Re: Mystery Snake from urban San Diego County

Post by blacktara » October 11th, 2016, 2:59 pm

Looks like a cat snake

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Re: Mystery Snake from urban San Diego County

Post by rpecora » October 11th, 2016, 5:17 pm

Checkered Gartersnake, a bit out of it's range, but a heck of a lot closer than a wandering. It could, but I've yet to see one with a dorsal stripe, be a Two-Striped.

I've seen hundreds of Eastern Garter's and that ain't no Eastern.

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Re: Mystery Snake from urban San Diego County

Post by craigb » October 11th, 2016, 5:30 pm

How about this one. It was found considerably further north in British Columbia.

I Id'd it as a wandering...

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By the way I found a two striped garter out at the old place near Palm Springs that was a trout farm, it was two -three years ago.

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Re: Mystery Snake from urban San Diego County

Post by rpecora » October 11th, 2016, 6:57 pm

craigb wrote:How about this one. It was found considerably further north in British Columbia.

I Id'd it as a wandering...

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By the way I found a two striped garter out at the old place near Palm Springs that was a trout farm, it was two -three years ago.
Well within it's range. Wandering Garter's do exist in BC.

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Re: Mystery Snake from urban San Diego County

Post by SurfinHerp » October 12th, 2016, 3:35 pm

Here's a two-striped gartersnake from SD County that looks similar to the mystery snake....

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Re: Mystery Snake from urban San Diego County

Post by ackee » October 12th, 2016, 4:15 pm

Checkered Eastern Garter Snakes are regularly encountered (mid-Atlantic states) in this area. I know what I've seen. www.paherps.com/herps/snakes/garter_snake/

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Re: Mystery Snake from urban San Diego County

Post by Porter » October 12th, 2016, 5:03 pm

San diego phase mountain garter snake!

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Re: Mystery Snake from urban San Diego County

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Re: Mystery Snake from urban San Diego County

Post by Brian Hubbs » October 12th, 2016, 9:13 pm

SurfinHerp wrote:Here's a two-striped gartersnake from SD County that looks similar to the mystery snake....

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No offense, but that isn't even close to the original photo. You know, it might be an Oregon garter.

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Re: Mystery Snake from urban San Diego County

Post by mark buck » October 13th, 2016, 11:34 am

My votes Eastern Garter, escaped pet.

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