So Andy, who recently found the helleri along the Coachella Canal, got a call from a guy he does avoidance training clinics for, in Banning, but who lives in the Desert Hot Springs area and has horse property there. The guy found a juvie rattlesnake in his barn, and wanted Andy to come get it, but Andy couldn’t… but turned out the guy had to go to Apple Valley the next day, so brought the snake up.
Andy looks at the snake and thinks…WTH…another helli from where they shouldn’t be…but then… starts looking a bit closer and the snake just doesn’t look right for a helli… so he starts asking questions. Turns out this rancher guy, and other ranchers in his area have been driving up to Bakersfield and Tehatchapi for Hay, and snakes have been coming in with the hay, typically found between the bales. He’s seen mostly gophers,(Pac) some brownish racer snakes (SJ Coach ?) some little blackish snakes(?), and now the rattler (Nor pac)
I haven’t gone out to see the crote, and confirm it as a Nor Pac, but will soon, and take some pics. Other than that, don’t know that anything can be done…other to pass this interesting story on, in case some reports of some out-of-place finds start coming in... jim
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Now THAT is interesting
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That oughta stir up the local gene pool!
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A San Joaquin Coach would be a lifer for me... and now possibly a lot closer...
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Just volunteer to help unload some hay deliveries.
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Screw that... my 'work for free' days are done... He could pay me to hunt his ranch and relocate/remove snakes.Steve Bledsoe wrote:Just volunteer to help unload some hay deliveries.
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Wow! Nothing like a little snake detective work. Very interesting story, Jim.
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Re: An interesting story
Interesting story, but who is he training to avoidSo Andy, who recently found the helleri along the Coachella Canal, got a call from a guy he does avoidance training clinics for
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There is in birding. For instance, "ship assisted" or a reasonable presumption of, nullifies a record. It comes more than you'd think.Steve Bledsoe wrote:where you find your lifers!
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The Desert Hot Springs crote, found near the Hay Shipment has been Id'd as helleri by Carl Persons, and it, as well as the 2 Indio Hellis are at LLU for genetic & venom testing. I'll post the conclusions as soon as I get them... jim
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I think we should make hay shipments of over 10 miles illegal.
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This is MERICA!!! people can buy their damn hay from wherever the hell they feels like...Brian Hubbs wrote:I think we should make hay shipments of over 10 miles illegal.
Although the crote found in the hay barn turned out to be a local helli, the guy says he sees gophers (pacifics? which if found might be thought a Sonoran/SD X) brownish racers (SJ Coaches?) and the one that has me stumped... little black snakes???? From Bakersfield, Tehachapi, or Antelope Valley????
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A little black snake is a baby ringneck...
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that's what i was thinking.. but thinking even an adult ring (green) might be considered small.... all the neo rings i've seen have been green. don't know about the tehachpi area, for rings, and doubt they're found in Antelope valley... so Bakersfield ring, i guess????Brian Hubbs wrote:A little black snake is a baby ringneck...
Those should do well in the Sonoran desert...