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NAFHA Trip

Post by Noah M » April 28th, 2014, 10:55 am

There was just too much going on to post everything, so here are a few highlights from the weekend. All of these were found with Jordan S.

Brownchin racer (lifer)
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Apalachicola Dusky Salamander (lifer)
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Three-lined Salamander (lifer)
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Red Salamander (lifer)
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Southern Copperhead (lifer)
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River Frog (lifer)
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Cope's Gray Tree Frog
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DOR Eastern Hognose :( (can't wait to get a live one!)
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Gulf Coast Box Turtle (lifer)
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Florida Cooter (lifer)
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Yellow-bellied Slider nesting
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Scarlet Kingsnake
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Pygmy Rattlesnake
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I believe I was told by some folks up there that both of these DORs are Mimic Glass Lizards (lifer). They were found in a known Mimic Glass Lizard area.

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Compare to an Eastern Glass Lizard
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We also stopped by more of the nature coast on our drive back and saw a few other things.

4'+ (may have even been 5') Corn snake
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Blue-striped Garter (first one I've seen alive)
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Gulf Salt Marsh Snake (lifer)
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Blue-striped Ribbon
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Post by simus343 » April 28th, 2014, 11:06 am

Very nice. I wish I could have gone except I got final exams next week to study for. Really love the Apalachicola area.

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Post by mtratcliffe » April 28th, 2014, 2:15 pm

Nice pics! I'm going to have to make it up there sometime before I have to move again.

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Post by Noah M » April 28th, 2014, 4:24 pm

Yes you should. I was unsure of the area as it was my first time there, but holy cow the range of possibilities is immense.

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Post by Tamara D. McConnell » April 28th, 2014, 4:50 pm

Beautiful images, and congrats on all the lifers. That must have been one splendid weekend!
My personal favorite is your river frog. Outstanding!

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Post by Daniel D Dye » April 28th, 2014, 6:18 pm

I'm thinking probably not on the mimic, Noah. Then again...maybe.

ImageMimic Glass Lizard (Ophisaurus mimicus) by Daniel D Dye II, on Flickr

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Post by Coluber Constrictor » April 28th, 2014, 9:01 pm

I'm thinking the first glass lizard is a slender, and the other two are mimics. Last one doesn't look Eastern to me.

Love the copperhead and red salamander :thumb:

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Post by Noah M » April 28th, 2014, 9:06 pm

I don't remember his name, but the gentleman from FSU IDed them as Mimics. He said we should have kept them because the Florida museum only has a few specimens. I looked at my guide and the pictures on NAHERP. The first one isn't as tan as yours, but it doesn't look like anything that I've seen. It actually looks almost identical to the picture in Bartlett's book, with the reddish color on top, almost stippling by the ear, and the two black and white lateral stripes. The second one I'm less sure about, but when I showed the FSU guy, he also said Mimic. The second one looks more like yours in color, with a lighter tan on top, but since the photos were taken at dusk with my flash, some of the color is a bit weird. Close inspection of my photos for the second one shows all stripes to be above the lateral fold. It isn't as clear for the first example. Perhaps the first is a slender, and the second in a mimic?

I haven't carefully inspected the third. It looked like and eastern to me so I just called it that. Now you have me wondering.

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Post by Noah M » April 28th, 2014, 9:35 pm

Upon closer inspection, I'm growing confident that the middle lizard is a mimic. if I look closely at my pictures, like the one here, the lateral lines are above the lateral groove. I'm not certain about lizards 1 and 3 right now. Its late, I'll take another look in the morning.

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Post by Carl D. May » April 29th, 2014, 3:38 am

Nice shots!
The middle specimen is a mimic. The top and bottom glass lizards are slenders.

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Post by Noah M » April 29th, 2014, 8:03 am

Upon further review I see the top is a slender (lines clearly below the lateral fold), and the middle is a mimic. Still awesome in my book.

The 3rd one I'm not sure about it. Here is a thumb to a full scale image. I do not see lines below the lateral fold until way back towards the tail, where the lateral fold is essentially gone.


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Post by Daniel D Dye » April 29th, 2014, 8:15 am

Carl D. May wrote:Nice shots!
The middle specimen is a mimic. The top and bottom glass lizards are slenders.
If Carl and Kenny Wray say it's a mimic, by golly, then I concede. :beer:

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Post by Josh Holbrook » April 29th, 2014, 6:53 pm

Daniel D Dye wrote:
Carl D. May wrote:Nice shots!
The middle specimen is a mimic. The top and bottom glass lizards are slenders.
If Carl and Kenny Wray say it's a mimic, by golly, then I concede. :beer:

Don't argue with KW. His forum ghost will return and open up a can of righteous smackdown.

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Post by Carl D. May » April 30th, 2014, 3:34 am

Josh Holbrook wrote:
Daniel D Dye wrote:
Carl D. May wrote:Nice shots!
The middle specimen is a mimic. The top and bottom glass lizards are slenders.
If Carl and Kenny Wray say it's a mimic, by golly, then I concede. :beer:

Don't argue with KW. His forum ghost will return and open up a can of righteous smackdown.

True. And it will end with "Later, KW"

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Post by Greg Theos » April 30th, 2014, 9:11 am

Cool post.

Your Garter looks more like a typical panhandle specimen to me. All of the Bluestripes I have seen from Wakulla/Taylor/Jefferson counties have neon-blue coloration. Do you have any other pics of it?

Also, was that Hognose found in the ANF? That would be an unusual find for the area, since they are less commonly encountered than Apalachicola Kingsnakes within the forest boundary.

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Post by Noah M » April 30th, 2014, 9:45 am

The garter was found in coastal Dixie. It is a young one. I have other pictures, but yeah thee blue is not as vibrant on this one.

The hognose was found in ANF.

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