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 Post subject: Mystery Garter snake
PostPosted: June 23rd, 2013, 3:39 pm 
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Found in the San Gabes, I have no idea what it is.
I thought it might be a bizarre color morph of the two stripe but it is just a wild guess.
Any help appreciated :)
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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Garter snake
PostPosted: June 23rd, 2013, 4:01 pm 
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Wow, it sure looks like this species, from Imperial County and Southern Arizona:
Thamnophis marcianus marcianus - Marcy's Checkered Gartersnake
Photo from "California Herps"
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http://www.californiaherps.com/snakes/pages/t.m.marcianus.html


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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Garter snake
PostPosted: June 23rd, 2013, 4:36 pm 
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What a awesome find!


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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Garter snake
PostPosted: June 23rd, 2013, 5:18 pm 
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I thought it was a checkered until I looked up its' locality. This snake sure is a tricky one.
Sadly I was not the person who got to see it in person. My friend found this guy while I was trying to identify tadpoles a few miles away, talk about the cons of no reception.

Oh how I take phones for granted, I shall invest in a walky talky.


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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Garter snake
PostPosted: June 23rd, 2013, 5:44 pm 
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Looks like an aberrant Two-striped... at least it has the eyes of an aquatic.


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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Garter snake
PostPosted: June 23rd, 2013, 6:00 pm 
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It's a Two-striped. Those from western Monterey County look like that -- no stripes, just alternating spots. That one is some way away, of course, but it may turn up in southern California as a rare morphotype.

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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Garter snake
PostPosted: June 23rd, 2013, 7:02 pm 
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Well that was bittersweet everyone. I was hoping it was something else but it feels good to know my hunch was correct.
Jeff do you have photos of any adults that carry that pattern? I am curious as to how they turn out.

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Well knowing this species is a two stripe, I shall inform others not to pick it up lol.


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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Garter snake
PostPosted: June 24th, 2013, 6:58 am 
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A picture I took of an adult is on plate 6 in Rossman et al. Garter Snakes book. The pattern suffers from a general darkening of the ground color. Otherwise I have slides of juveniles, and those are on my backlog of things to scan.

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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Garter snake
PostPosted: June 24th, 2013, 10:43 am 

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That's the oddest looking Two-Stripe I've ever seen, not to mention from the San Gabes. Awesome find!

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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Garter snake
PostPosted: June 24th, 2013, 11:03 am 

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About as rare an abberancy as finding a striped gopher...I would surmise... super cool find... :thumb: jim


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PostPosted: June 24th, 2013, 2:23 pm 
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I can't see the original picture right now, but there are a few pictures of the "spotted morph" with faint stripes on calherps http://www.californiaherps.com/snakes/p ... ondii.html


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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Garter snake
PostPosted: June 24th, 2013, 7:45 pm 

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I found this spotted morph in the Western San Gabes earlier this year:

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But it doesn't have nearly the black-and-white checkered pattern as the one posted by gopher.

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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Garter snake
PostPosted: June 24th, 2013, 10:01 pm 
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Nice photo! It is always nice to see herps that are "oddballs". Hopefully the little guy grows up to become a real stunning specimen...that I can take photos of personally :beer:


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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Garter snake
PostPosted: June 27th, 2013, 8:45 am 
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gopher wrote:
Found in the San Gabes, I have no idea what it is.
I thought it might be a bizarre color morph of the two stripe but it is just a wild guess.
Any help appreciated :)
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Very cool looking. I imagine the light areas will darken up, but if they didn't, that would be awesome.


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