A Rather Impressive Birding Pituophis Account
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A Rather Impressive Birding Pituophis Account
This amazing account and pictures were forwarded to me by colleagues from FWS:
I pulled over at the Loma bridge fishing access site just outside of the UMBNM north of Fort Benton MT on Sunday afternoon around 4:30PM to photograph the Cliff Swalows tending thier nests. What I found was an enormous Bull Snake fishing for Cliff Swallows from 30 feet above the racing Missouri River. I observed it for over 2 hours slink in and out of about 5 nests consuming the chicks. Bulge after bulge runing down it's body. Then snap, he grabed one of the adult swallows who had dared to swoop by to pester his dining. When it had had its fill it kicked itself free and dropped into the rushing river. It was a truley incredible behavior to observe and magnificent specimen.
In many ways, very neat documentation-- getting to them, plucking them, esp. the flying adult, if it truly intentionally dropped into the river as the account describes (as opposed to falling in attempt to climb back up)-- all interesting behavioral information. Would have been informative in Pantherophis obsoleta, but even a bit more so in Pituophis.
I pulled over at the Loma bridge fishing access site just outside of the UMBNM north of Fort Benton MT on Sunday afternoon around 4:30PM to photograph the Cliff Swalows tending thier nests. What I found was an enormous Bull Snake fishing for Cliff Swallows from 30 feet above the racing Missouri River. I observed it for over 2 hours slink in and out of about 5 nests consuming the chicks. Bulge after bulge runing down it's body. Then snap, he grabed one of the adult swallows who had dared to swoop by to pester his dining. When it had had its fill it kicked itself free and dropped into the rushing river. It was a truley incredible behavior to observe and magnificent specimen.
In many ways, very neat documentation-- getting to them, plucking them, esp. the flying adult, if it truly intentionally dropped into the river as the account describes (as opposed to falling in attempt to climb back up)-- all interesting behavioral information. Would have been informative in Pantherophis obsoleta, but even a bit more so in Pituophis.
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This makes me want to find a similar situation for myself. Thanks for sharing this.
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that may be the most awesome thing I've ever seen. Just one more reason to love the amazing bullsnake!
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that is pretty cool. the one of the snake hanging by one nest, shows how strong those nests are.
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Very, very cool !
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That's outrageous. I'm glad it wasn't a "wish I'd brought my camera" moment...thanks for sharing!
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Wow! That's awesome! Good looking pit too. Thanks.
I keep telling my buddy to get on this forum. I think this will seal the deal when he sees it.
I keep telling my buddy to get on this forum. I think this will seal the deal when he sees it.
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Very Cool!
I use to catch Rat Snakes under bridges. How they can get to those nest is beond me, but they do. The ones they cant get to they wait for the bird to fall out during its first flight. About two months ago I went back to bridge I use to visit to catch a rat snake for photos. What I found was a homeless man sleeping.
I use to catch Rat Snakes under bridges. How they can get to those nest is beond me, but they do. The ones they cant get to they wait for the bird to fall out during its first flight. About two months ago I went back to bridge I use to visit to catch a rat snake for photos. What I found was a homeless man sleeping.
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Very very cool. Nice to see nature at work when a snake beats bird. Ok that was for my many birding friends.Kind of reminds me of the Bogertophis eating bats under a bridge that Daryl Eby documented.
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AWESOME!!! Who needs arms and legs? Snakes can do some special things...the ultimate in elegance and efficiency.
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Fascinating to say the least!
Thanks for posting that Matt!
If we only knew for sure why it fell! Maybe too much weight but then again pits are so strong. Really some amazing pics! I've seen snakes jump from trees when forced to but the thought that it may have desended on its own is really something to think about!
Gary
Thanks for posting that Matt!
If we only knew for sure why it fell! Maybe too much weight but then again pits are so strong. Really some amazing pics! I've seen snakes jump from trees when forced to but the thought that it may have desended on its own is really something to think about!
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Best in situ sequence ever?
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I wonder how many times that snake has done the exact same thing, thanks for sharing
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I was wondering the same thing. I personally don't think it intentionally fell, based on the pictures we have here, after eating a few birds, you can see how big the snake's belly is in the 4th from last shot, and in the next shot, its tail is hanging down. Even for a strongly built snake like pituophis I think unless it slithered back into the current nest it was hanging from and regrouped, there was little chance of it getting its tail back up to anchor it. It could have backed out for many reasons, maybe it was done, or maybe it was planning on moving to the next nest, but you can see in the next image, it was falling tail first, that's the head end in the bottom of the picture. Perhaps it was done and meant to fall, it "forgot" that it was 30 feet from the landing perhaps, but I think it was just a matter of the snake losing its anchor, and backing out of the nest it was in instead of regrouping. So I guess the question would be why did it back out of the nest? Was it full, was it being pestered by a bird inside, was it planning on moving to the next nest and just made the mistake of not re-anchoring itself?fox cove 4 wrote: I wonder how many times that snake has done the exact same thing, thanks for sharing
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What an incredible thing to witness in the wild like that. The shot of the snake falling made me chuckle...
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Wow... Thanks for sharing this...
Truly amazing, and an impressive skill set for a snake, its no wonder gopher and bull snakes are so successful.
Fundad
Truly amazing, and an impressive skill set for a snake, its no wonder gopher and bull snakes are so successful.
Fundad
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Wow - that's incredible!
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for sharing!
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I'll add another WOW and AWESOME because it is. This proves my long held theory that snakes invented drive-through takeout.
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Everything about that is incredible. The snake had to crawl out there on the sidewalk, with cars driving by, if its a car bridge. How did he know they were there? lol That's just incredible. Him falling tail first seems more likely he let go, if he did let go. I don't think a snake intensionally falling would go head first. Its seems like a stretch to think he fell on purpose but if someone said Bull snakes were crawling out on the top of that bridge and invading those swallow nests, I'd probably have to see it to believe it.
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Great observation!
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He's climbin' in your nest holes
He's snatchin' your people up
Tryna eat them so you need to
Hide yo kids, hide yo wife
Hide yo kids, hide yo wife
Hide yo kids, hide yo wife
And hide yo husband
Cuz they're eatin' errbody out here
He's snatchin' your people up
Tryna eat them so you need to
Hide yo kids, hide yo wife
Hide yo kids, hide yo wife
Hide yo kids, hide yo wife
And hide yo husband
Cuz they're eatin' errbody out here
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Amazing observation! I wish I could witness something cool like that. That is some cool behavior.
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Natalie McNear wrote:He's climbin' in your nest holes
He's snatchin' your people up
Tryna eat them so you need to
Hide yo kids, hide yo wife
Hide yo kids, hide yo wife
Hide yo kids, hide yo wife
And hide yo husband
Cuz they're eatin' errbody out here
hahahahah, I think I just peed a little
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Best post to date; Ever!
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Wow, Matt. That is truly amazing, almost unbelievable! Props to the guy who took those shots, tell him he should be a herper with his luck!
This really might be the coolest in situ sequence I've ever seen of a snake. I've seen shots of rats and bulls doing this same thing to a bird house, and I've seen copperheads climbing bushes to eat cicadas at night, but the lengths that bull had to go to and the previous "knowledge" he must have had of those birds just makes it truly remarkable. Thanks for posting.
This really might be the coolest in situ sequence I've ever seen of a snake. I've seen shots of rats and bulls doing this same thing to a bird house, and I've seen copperheads climbing bushes to eat cicadas at night, but the lengths that bull had to go to and the previous "knowledge" he must have had of those birds just makes it truly remarkable. Thanks for posting.
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Not much to add that hasn't already been said. It's certainly a very interesting account made even more enjoyable with the photo account. GREAT POST!!!
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watching herps hunt is always a treat. doesn't matter if it's a horned lizard eating ants, a crotalid eating a rabbit, a king eating a lizard, a toad catching bugs...and man oh man is this one hell of an example of a herp hunting.
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Very cool Matt!
Thanks for posting this.
There are some areas where I could imagine pyros and lyres doing a very similar thing.
I've scanned nests on cliffs in hopes of seeing such a thing but haven't been so lucky.
Thanks for posting this.
There are some areas where I could imagine pyros and lyres doing a very similar thing.
I've scanned nests on cliffs in hopes of seeing such a thing but haven't been so lucky.
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That is one of the best posts i've ever read on any forum! Thanks for posting it!
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Why dont we ever see cool stuff like this? All we see are donkeys on peoples front porches.
Awesome series.
Awesome series.
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This reminds me of Eby's post re: suboc eating bats from a highway bridge. VERY interesting behavior!
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Thanks for all the comments. When I first learned of the account, I didn't believe it fully although certainly not an impossible event. I don't think I would have if it weren't for the fact that the fellow documented it so well, better perhaps than many herpers might have! I could see myself missing many of the moments due to the greed of wanting to watch every moment, unblinking probably, instead of obstruction the visual with a viewfinder.
There are eyes on it now, so perhaps we can answer the question of whether this snake is a veteran at this behavior, which is certainly very possible. I will pass it on if any additional activity is seen.
There are eyes on it now, so perhaps we can answer the question of whether this snake is a veteran at this behavior, which is certainly very possible. I will pass it on if any additional activity is seen.
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That is truly amazng. One of those really cool, unique and odd things that can been seen (and thankfully captured) out in the field. Thanks for sharing! That is one of the coolest things I have seen and really raises a lot of fun questions on behavior, intellegence, etc.
Totally sweet!
Totally sweet!
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how in the hell did I miss this? Thanks for the bump, (Iowa) Matt, and thanks for posting this, KC Matt.
We frame these creatures inadequately, that's for certain.
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We frame these creatures inadequately, that's for certain.
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I have to give credit to Jim as he told me about this weekend while we were herping. Of course I had to check it out!
Hope the shoulder is all better Mr. Mike.
Matt's = amazing herpers. At least that's what I think.
Hope the shoulder is all better Mr. Mike.
Matt's = amazing herpers. At least that's what I think.
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Incredible. I have always found bullsnakes to be fairly abundant around bridge abutments, thinking it was the thermal properties of the concrete. Those bridges hosted very impressive cliff swallow colonies. I never would have guessed a bullsnake could get to them, but now I may have another hunch why they're abundant around those bridges. I have found them preying on cliff swallow colonies high in wooded structures, but this is amazing.
On a somewhat related note, seeing the picture of the bullsnake taking the dive, i was once herping for eastern fox snakes with a good friend, around the base of a big barn-like building. For some reason i looked up, and there, 25 feet off the ground was a copper coloured head poking out of a small hole in the upper stories of the building. To our amazement, the fox snake, for so it was, very deliberately began to slide out of the hole, then free-fell the 25 feet or so to the ground. It was about 4.5 feet long and bulging with prey - birds we suspected (the lumps had that look), that may have nesting up there. How many times had this snake gone through this hole? Perhaps it was the first time, but the lack of hesitation or looking for other purchases suggested to us this snake had done this before.
On a somewhat related note, seeing the picture of the bullsnake taking the dive, i was once herping for eastern fox snakes with a good friend, around the base of a big barn-like building. For some reason i looked up, and there, 25 feet off the ground was a copper coloured head poking out of a small hole in the upper stories of the building. To our amazement, the fox snake, for so it was, very deliberately began to slide out of the hole, then free-fell the 25 feet or so to the ground. It was about 4.5 feet long and bulging with prey - birds we suspected (the lumps had that look), that may have nesting up there. How many times had this snake gone through this hole? Perhaps it was the first time, but the lack of hesitation or looking for other purchases suggested to us this snake had done this before.
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So is the snake emerging from the river after it's fall in the last shot?
Really amazing. I'd love to know how the snake figured out how to get to the nests and how it knew they were there in the first place.
Really amazing. I'd love to know how the snake figured out how to get to the nests and how it knew they were there in the first place.
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I have seen plenty of black rats do that, but a gopher I would not have expected.
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You have seen them feed on swallows on a bridge like that?rdodson wrote:I have seen plenty of black rats do that, but a gopher I would not have expected.
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I think you are on to something there...Matt's = amazing herpers. At least that's what I think.
Yes, that is after its swim back to shore.So is the snake emerging from the river after it's fall in the last shot?
...on a bridge that size (road access only) and with a 40+ft drop into a large river below?You have seen them feed on swallows on a bridge like that?rdodson wrote:
I have seen plenty of black rats do that, but a gopher I would not have expected.
You really have to suspect that this is potentially repeated behavior for the snake, perhaps even its bread and butter so to speak, as may be the case for the interesting account gulo provided.
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would this be seasonal behavior???.......were does it feed before nesting time and after????.....or is this its "glutton time"?????......enough food for the active season????
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Hey Matt,
Can't believe I missed this post...pretty cool observations....always nice to capture photographically an animal feeding in nature...congrats, gmerker
Can't believe I missed this post...pretty cool observations....always nice to capture photographically an animal feeding in nature...congrats, gmerker
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Wow, the pictures are awesome! He looks like a pro!
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This is such a fascinating series. I'm flabbergasted and thrilled! Thanks for posting it!!!
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Natalie McNear wrote:He's climbin' in your nest holes
He's snatchin' your people up
Tryna eat them so you need to
Hide yo kids, hide yo wife
Hide yo kids, hide yo wife
Hide yo kids, hide yo wife
And hide yo husband
Cuz they're eatin' errbody out here
The funniest thing I've seen in a while.