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Washed in the Blood 2012...
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There is an iconic destination which draws me so. She is one of my sweetest passions in life. She is the beautiful Blood River in far southwestern Kentucky. She is fed by the Panther, Beechy, Wildcat creeks and so on; and in turn she feeds and washes into the beautiful Tennessee River, which in turns washes with the Ohio, Mississippi and eventually into the Gulf of Mexico. As they say, 'a river runs through it'. Many of the pictures from this post were taken from within the domain of these waters.
A severe drought would impact this region in 2012. It was as bad as any I've seen since 1988. And it as well impacted more than 60% of the nation at one time. Very bad. So finding herps of any diversity was a challenge as the drought could be felt as early as March. And then all down hill from there. Nonetheless, a good year for lizards. I think I photographed 7 of our state's 8 native species. And good for turtles too, I would see 12 species of turtles and photograph all of them I think. Not so good for snakes. Lots of timber rattlers seen this year as the dry conditions brought them out earlier than usual. But I don't think I photographed a single one. Very good year for cottonmouths. And I had more than a few close calls in the field with them. But it was a struggle finding much variety aside from wetland situations. I was happy to find what was found with the extreme conditions and limited time frame. This post reflects mostly reptiles. I may post the amphibian section later in the week. Good year for frogs, but not so good for salamanders. Thanks for reading ya'll.
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Lepisosteus skull found along the shoreline of the Blood. There are four specie of gar in these waters - shortnose, longnose, spotted and alligator.
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Arisaema dracontium - Green Dragon, one of Kentucky's most interesting mezic plants.
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Beautiful giant red fruit of the the Green Dragon in late September.
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Jessica holding a spotted dusky salamander - Calloway Co. KY. One of five we would find on this day.
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Epic year for aquatic box turtles as a result of the drought. This male would be seen with two other adults making their stand in the cool of the flowing creek water.
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Female red-ear slider - Marshall Co. KY. Eating earthworms at water's edge in November.
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River Cooter - Marshall Co. KY
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Northern Map - Trigg Co. KY from the Little River area.
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Ouachita Map - Calloway Co. KY
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Ouachita Map's - plastron shots showing the diversity of these handsome turtles.
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'kohnii' and 'ouachitensis' - Mississippi & Ouachita maps basking - Calloway Co. KY
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'geographica' and 'ouachitensis' - Northern & Ouachita maps basking - Calloway Co. KY
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Kinosternon mud and Sternotherus musk carapace and plastron comparisons - Calloway Co. KY
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Spiny Softshell - Marshall Co. KY
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'covering'
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Female Mississippi map and several Ouachita's basking in December.
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Red-ear sliders, river cooters, Mississippi maps, Ouachita maps and a lone Northern map would be found on this log...a total of 68 turtles in all. The left side of the log (not pictured) held the majority of the smaller and most numerous maps.
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Plastron and carapace comparison between adult male cooters - Calloway Co. KY
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Courtship inducing fore-claws of the male river cooter. He gently strokes the face of the receptive female with these, and then BA-BAM! They get busy in the lake...Turtle Love.
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Chrysemys picta - Graves Co. KY - depositing her eggs.
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Snapper - Henry Co. TN - second year in a row I have found her nesting at this location along the sandy creek.
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Pseudemys concinna shell found along the Kentucky Lake shoreline in Trigg. Co. KY. Shell measured more than 14 inches and is to date one of the largest I've ever found.
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This a page from the annual issue of the Kentucky Fishing & Boating Guide page eleven. It is among the fishing regulations for our state. And it is pretty damn sad. Apparently, Kentucky does not interpret nor separate 'fish' from 'turtles'. This is a serious problem. I have a problem with harvesting turtles for food. It just seems pointless to me. Apparently, there is no limit on snapping turtles in Kentucky. You can kill at will and as many as you please.
(301 KAR 1:058) "Anglers may take snapping turtles (except alligator snapping turtles) and up to 5 softshell turtles year round by the same methods legal for taking rough fish species"
How can this be enforced? The F&G boys I know would not enforce this. And most honestly could not, nor would not decipher an alligator snapper from the common.
goes on to state: "A hunting license is required when taking turtles by gun or by bow and arrow. Otherwise, a fishing license required".......
Seriously it says that. No distinction. Trust me on this, Joe Bob and Bubba shoot'n turtles from a bridge anywhere in the south are not going to go into the water and retrieve those dead or nearly dead and bloodied turtles...softshell or otherwise. Those turtles are no more than living targets to most of these idiots.
Final conclusion is this - there is an open season on Kentucky's turtles. And this has been the case for my entire lifetime. This needs to change. I am curious what others think of their state's regulations regarding turtles?
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Apalone spinifera - Calloway Co. KY - that swallowed a hook and was cut by fisherman and discarded along the shoreline. This a very sad and painful death. I almost did not post this, but felt important that people know that this is a common death among turtles.
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Limb lines such as these take a horrific death toll on southern turtle populations. I cut every single one I find. No exceptions.
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James above the 'Blood'.
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Gray Treefrog - Hardin Co. KY - This one peering in through the kitchen window as Denna prepared supper for the evening.
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Slender Glass Lizard - Edmonson Co. KY
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Five-lined Skink - Calloway Co. KY
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Ground Skink - Calloway Co. KY
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Eastern Fence Lizard - Graves Co. KY
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Six-lined Racerunner - Calloway Co. KY
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Broadhead Skink - Graves Co. KY
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Southern Coal Skink - Calloway Co. KY. This was one of several nesting adults James and I found in the spring and summer.
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Southern Coal SKink - Graves Co. KY - Several adults would be found in late February. This is a new county record for the state of Kentucky. This specie is 'threatened' in Kentucky. It is more importantly the westward most range extension of this species in the state. Two range and distribution extensions were published in the Journal of Herp Review for the month of September for regional herps, and then three more, including this find have been submitted for publication as well. Making this find with my closest friend Tim Johnson was one of the more memorable moments of 2012.
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Crash of the Delta Mariner on January 26, 2012. This massive sea going vessel on its way to Cape Canaveral Florida (transporting rocket boosters) crashed into and destroyed a 300 foot section of the (Eggner's Ferry) bridge. The bridge would not be repaired for another 6 months. This bridge was the only bridge linking two significant regions of the state together. This photo (I apologize for it) was taken from the window of my father's plane at 3,300 feet.
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'Dad'
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This photo taken by Tina Carroll of the AP.
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Bryozoa - Kentucky Lake (Tennessee River)
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March of the Loblolly
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White-tail deer on my father's property
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White Pelicans - Trigg Co. KY
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Black Vultures - Graves Co. KY
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Ben Franaklin's other 'Wild Turkey' - Calloway Co. KY
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Ringbilled Gulls - Trigg Co. KY
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Bonaparte's Gulls - Trigg Co. KY
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Coots/Mud Ducks - Calloway Co. KY
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Murray State College Rodeo Team competition. Jessica loves the rodeo - we don't miss a one. MSU is the only university in the state with a rodeo team.
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'Cowboy UP!'
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Jack Hanna, a native Tennessean and curator of the Columbus Zoo I believe, made a visit to Madisonville KY and the MCC to give a lecture. Meeting him for the first time along with my daughter Jessica was an honor. Jungle Jack!!
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Dr.'s AF. Scott of Austin Peay State University and Edmund J. Zimmerer of Murray State University talking shop. These two gentlemen have influenced many naturalist and students over their many years. I am proud to know these great men.
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Measuring 'flow' along the Clarks River outside of Murray - USGA
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Cotton - swimming the back waters of the Blood - Calloway Co. KY
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Red Milk - Trigg Co. KY
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Red Milk - Fulton Co. KY
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Midland Water - Graves Co. KY
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'Blue' mudder - Graves Co. KY
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Mississippi Ringneck - Calloway Co. KY. This was one of the more reddish specimens I've seen.
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Scarlet Snake - Trigg Co. KY
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Clinton and snapper.
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Tim Johnson and a broad-banded water snake - Fulton Co. KY
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Mr. Robert 'Bob' Todd and Denna at his home in Sonora, Kentucky. Mr. Todd is 82 years young and is widely regarded as the most knowledgeable herpetologists in the state.
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Racer - Edmonson Co. KY
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Corn/red-chicken snake - Edmonson Co. KY
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Northern Copperhead - Edmonson Co. KY
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FHF member Jason Butler netting in western KY
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Spotted Fishing Spider
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Black-winged Damsel
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Mesophytic forest floodplain in Graves Co. KY
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Red Milk - Trigg Co. KY I am almost certain that this is the exact same female I found last spring underneath same series of rocks at fieldside. She looked even better this year!
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Scarlet King - Trigg Co. KY - one of two found within an hour of each other.
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Eastern Ribbon - Marshall Co. KY - Huge adult and very pale white mid-dorsal stripe. Nice.
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Eastern Ribbon - Marshall Co. KY - Lots of these found in several western Kentucky counties this season. This a juvenile.
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Midland Water - Graves Co. KY
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Racer nest
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FHF member Evan Brown of Paducah. On this night Evan and I would road cruise mostly copperheads in Land Between the Lakes.
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Tim and Clinton - on this night in southwestern Kentucky, we would document the highest density of Hyla cinera amplexus in Kentucky that I am aware of.
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Rough Green - Hopkins Co. KY
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Kirtland's Snake - Graves Co. KY - Lots of Kirtlands would be found despite the dry conditions.
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Northern Redbelly (red phase) - Calloway Co. KY
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Northern Redbelly (gray phase) - Calloway Co. KY
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Northern Redbelly (?) phase - Calloway Co. KY - I have never seen one quite like this. Not really even sure what to call it? Call it beautiful. This adult snake was found during the day, on foot as I walked down a gravel road in early summer. When I explained to my daughter about the named color phases for redbellies, she came up with her own....'coral on denim blue'. Ha-ha. I like it, but don't think we'll be seeing that in the updated version of Conant's field guide.
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Blue-Eyed Grass - Calloway Co. KY.....one of my all time favorite Kentucky wildflowers.
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Deptford Pink - Calloway Co. KY
Thanks for going through this ya'll.
RocK ON!!
Dave
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Amen bro. Looks like a great year. Was the Kirtlands in the Purchase Region? I think I'd been on that bridge just days before that accident.
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Been looking forward to another post from you and you didn't disappoint! Another awesome year and more great photos!
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Jealous of the Mudsnakes and the Kirtlands. Nice bright pics all around.
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Killer post! LOVE the muds, the Kirtland's and those really gorgeous Nerodia!
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I loved this post! You guys have the most beautiful Northern watersnakes... i love the picture of the female with her babies. I think that and the #166 cottonmouth are my favorite pictures. Great year, and thanks for sharing! What species egg mass is #126?
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This is the best post I've seen so far in 2013. Your photos are outstanding. I am a turtle guy so I appreciate all the turtle photos. The boxie in the stream, the kirtlands, red milks, and the stunning pleuralis (intergrade?) Just awesome.
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Bethany, that is a freshwater invertebrate called a Bryozoa. They are often mistaken for an egg mass.Rich in Reptiles wrote: What species egg mass is #126?
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Very nice set of images! I really liked that first cottonmouth.
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holy crap!!!!! first cotton shot. amazing.
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Thank you all for taking time to look at the post. I apologize for taking too long placing comments for each pic. I am not so fleet of finger here. I will try to have it complete tonight.
Barry R. - Yes Sir, you are dead on for the Jackson Purchase Clonophis kirtlandii. Have you found them in the Shawnee Hills area?
Thanks for the kind compliments Barry R., jayder85, justinm, Dr. Dark, bgorum, Bethany and Mike.
Yes Bethany on what Mike said. He knows his 'aquatics'. And he is a brother from another mother for loving the 'turtle'.
That cottonmouth swam right at me before it realized I was not a maple tree. But I clicked a few just as the realization sat in. Our water snakes down here are really pretty.
Mike, thanks again for the kind words.
Dave
Barry R. - Yes Sir, you are dead on for the Jackson Purchase Clonophis kirtlandii. Have you found them in the Shawnee Hills area?
Thanks for the kind compliments Barry R., jayder85, justinm, Dr. Dark, bgorum, Bethany and Mike.
Yes Bethany on what Mike said. He knows his 'aquatics'. And he is a brother from another mother for loving the 'turtle'.
That cottonmouth swam right at me before it realized I was not a maple tree. But I clicked a few just as the realization sat in. Our water snakes down here are really pretty.
Mike, thanks again for the kind words.
Dave
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I am viewing this thread at work and yelled the F-word rather loudly while I was scrolling and saw the first Lampropeltis. Unknowingly, I commenced to swear again when I saw the hatching Mudsnakes.
What a post!
What a post!
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Really enjoyed this years post, awesome pics as always. Too many favorites to choose from, really enjoyed them all.
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Awesome finds and awesome pictures. hard to pick a favorite but I'll go with the hatching muds. I also enjoy cutting down limb lines on the Chattahoochee and Flint rivers
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A very touching post on so many levels. Great atmospheric photography - you don't seem to try hard, but the outcome is very elegant.
This is my favorite photo. Looks even better in grayscale!
PS: What's the story behind the ring?
This is my favorite photo. Looks even better in grayscale!
PS: What's the story behind the ring?
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I can't believe that no one commented on that blue and red red-bellied snake. Un-believable! Great post all the way through, Dave.
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Dave, all I can say is, exceptional post. I hope to get to herp with you someday.
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Danger, danger...sensory overload!!
Excellent work here, Dave. I enjoyed every minute of it.
Daniel
Excellent work here, Dave. I enjoyed every minute of it.
Daniel
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Lovely post Dave. My 2012 wasn't as good. But it was better than my 2011.
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Zach - Thanks. You crack me up!
beamer69 - THank you.
Ecto Hunter - Thank you. Cutting those limb lines down and then transporting them out from harms way can be tricky. I usually pack the hooks in a plastic jar I carry with me in my camera bag. If more people did this, we would save a significant number of turtles. Keep on keep'n on.
Hans - WoW, thanks sir for the beautiful comments. That ring is an engagement ring of a four plus year relationship with a woman who 'gets me'. Lets me spend that time in the out of doors and questions not. She's a jewel. And hell, she can cook too! LOL
Cary - Right on! That was my favorite one too. I have never seen anything like it before with that color scheme. Lots of variation with redbellies up here. But that one froze me in my tracks.
beamer69 - THank you.
Ecto Hunter - Thank you. Cutting those limb lines down and then transporting them out from harms way can be tricky. I usually pack the hooks in a plastic jar I carry with me in my camera bag. If more people did this, we would save a significant number of turtles. Keep on keep'n on.
Hans - WoW, thanks sir for the beautiful comments. That ring is an engagement ring of a four plus year relationship with a woman who 'gets me'. Lets me spend that time in the out of doors and questions not. She's a jewel. And hell, she can cook too! LOL
Cary - Right on! That was my favorite one too. I have never seen anything like it before with that color scheme. Lots of variation with redbellies up here. But that one froze me in my tracks.
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Michael - Thank you. It would by my honor to herp with you sir....especially in ARIZONA!!! Hint-hint. LOL. But I understand being a dad with such a newborn gift is time consuming. But one day, I would love to go back out to Arizona. Too long. But some of the best memories I ever had in the Sonoaran.
Daniel - Thank you sir.
dery - It was a bad drought from here to there (upper Alabama), and I just hope this year is different. We have had more preciptitation so far compared to last, but still not getting those big rains. Next month is going to be very telling.
Rock ON!
Dave
Daniel - Thank you sir.
dery - It was a bad drought from here to there (upper Alabama), and I just hope this year is different. We have had more preciptitation so far compared to last, but still not getting those big rains. Next month is going to be very telling.
Rock ON!
Dave
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Dave, it looks like you had a really great year. I must admit, I am jealous of all your mud snake finds!
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Nice post, that' a lot of snakes.
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I agree, great post. I loved the turtle diversity. I am looking forward to the amphibian portion.
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Soopaman - I am glad you liked the Farancia. They are one of the most beautiful of North American fauna.
Carl - Thanks.
Jason - Turtles seem to kinda ride in the back seat on this forum. Not really sure why. And no one from Kentucky had ever posted much of anything on here other than snakes, so I wanted to show other reptiles (turts & lizards) from our state beyond snakes. Glad you like.
Rock ON!
Dave
Carl - Thanks.
Jason - Turtles seem to kinda ride in the back seat on this forum. Not really sure why. And no one from Kentucky had ever posted much of anything on here other than snakes, so I wanted to show other reptiles (turts & lizards) from our state beyond snakes. Glad you like.
Rock ON!
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Very Cool Post! Besides all the other great shots of amazing herps... I am always fixated by Glass Lizards... So cool. jim
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That 'coral on denim' Redbelly is amazing! Got any more pics of it?
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Greta post! The red milks are stunning! As are the water snakes.
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I thought that the hook is supposed to dissolve relatively quickly in a turtle's/ fish's mouth... so if you are forced to cut a line the animal would still be okay. Is that a myth?
Thanks for posting.
Thanks for posting.
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Man, what a lot of fun I had looking at your great post - twice! It's cool that you saw the same nesting snapper two years in a row. The racer hatchling pic is awesome. And I really like a couple of the midlands - wow! I agree with several other people that the cottonmouth swimming is a stunner. Thanks for a slice of life so different than what I'm used to!
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State regs in turtle-land have been evolving rapidly in the last decade, mainly in response to perceptions (accurate or not) of Asian market demand. Commercial harvesters and "ranchers" have been potent stakeholders in many cases. I have no idea what the case may be in KY (whether things have changed much yet, or whether you have much of a commercial demand or presence). Whatever our personal feelings about consumptive use of turtles, at the personal or commercial level (and I suspect there's high consensus here on that...), I suspect we would all agree it's nicer to live in a society where we each and all have a role in looking after our own interests, than in a society where we do not. It's worth talking to each other (with people of other interests, I mean, not just each other here on FHF) because we can often discover management approaches that allow all parties some comfort and success. Sometimes you get some really weird "strange bedfellows" situations, that are quite satisfactory.This a page from the annual issue of the Kentucky Fishing & Boating Guide page eleven. It is among the fishing regulations for our state. And it is pretty damn sad. Apparently, Kentucky does not interpret nor separate 'fish' from 'turtles'. This is a serious problem. I have a problem with harvesting turtles for food. It just seems pointless to me. Apparently, there is no limit on snapping turtles in Kentucky. You can kill at will and as many as you please.
(301 KAR 1:058) "Anglers may take snapping turtles (except alligator snapping turtles) and up to 5 softshell turtles year round by the same methods legal for taking rough fish species"
How can this be enforced? The F&G boys I know would not enforce this. And most honestly could not, nor would not decipher an alligator snapper from the common.
goes on to state: "A hunting license is required when taking turtles by gun or by bow and arrow. Otherwise, a fishing license required".......
Seriously it says that. No distinction. Trust me on this, Joe Bob and Bubba shoot'n turtles from a bridge anywhere in the south are not going to go into the water and retrieve those dead or nearly dead and bloodied turtles...softshell or otherwise. Those turtles are no more than living targets to most of these idiots.
Final conclusion is this - there is an open season on Kentucky's turtles. And this has been the case for my entire lifetime. This needs to change. I am curious what others think of their state's regulations regarding turtles?
This thread may interest you, and provoke some participation:
http://www.fieldherpforum.com/forum/vie ... 20&t=15284
as may this (perhaps to a lesser extent)
http://www.fieldherpforum.com/forum/vie ... 20&t=15083
Hope you get "the right amount" of rain this year. I understand your regional drought situation has improved markedly from last summer. Unlike to your west...
Cheers,
Jimi
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Very enjoyable post Dave! Wow! That red belly snake is nuclear hot! Beautiful selection of milks and midlands too. Congratulations on your engagement and best of luck to you in 2013.
Phil
Phil
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Awesome post Dave! Really enjoyed all of it!
The first little softshell, the swimming cotton, the milks, EVERYTHING!
Congrats on a great year!
Gary
The first little softshell, the swimming cotton, the milks, EVERYTHING!
Congrats on a great year!
Gary
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What an excellent post! I can see why you like that area with such a good diversity of animals. Those turtle shots were superb.
Regards,
David
Regards,
David
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Holy crap Dave. That was stunning. I can't even begin to pick a favorite- though the turtle skull inside the shell was right up there, the coral-on-denim-blue Storeria, the green dragon, all of 'em. Wowza! Surprised no one else has commented, but a big congratulations on the last photo!
Keep on rockin', brother!
--Berkeley
Keep on rockin', brother!
--Berkeley
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Dave, I was actually unaware of Clonophis in the Purchase region. I only knew of the ones farther east in the state. Unfortunately, I haven't seen any in my area, though I have been to places where older records occur (Minton).
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Phenomenal, stunning post. Absolutely loved it. The first boxy, in the clear water, is so beautiful. Also loved all of the map turtles. To echo others, the coral-on-denim redbelly is a stunner, and the shot of the moc swimming towards you is AWESOME. Holy cow, man...if I could compile posts half this cool, I'd be so happy.
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They (turtles) do a little bit. I keep my interests pretty well rounded. Even so, I have become much more enamored with turtles the past 4 or 5 years, and I love a good map turtle. There is a strong turtle following out there, they just don't get the attention of rattlesnakes.
Thanks again,
Jason
Thanks again,
Jason
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hellihooks - Thank you very much.
TeeJay - That snake was crazy. Yes, many pics of her. The belly was brilliant red and as intense as the dorsal.
Brendan - Thanks. I did not find so many 'syspila' this year, but what was found was pleasing to the eye.
HornedFrog44 - From my knowledge and what I've witnessed in the field (an I've lots of pics to back this up dating back to 1990), a turtle that consumes a hook is as good as 'dead'. And I can imagine a very painful death at that.
York - Thank you sir. Your posts are always my favorites. I love your eyes of the world and perspective. Very unique. That cottonmouth shot was one of my favorites as well. I shot it with a 300 + converter to amp the power and distance. He was coming right to me, and I was planted waist deep in creek water....I had to either move out of the way and risk losing my light and angle, or I could fire off some shots....I chose the latter.
Rock ON!
TeeJay - That snake was crazy. Yes, many pics of her. The belly was brilliant red and as intense as the dorsal.
Brendan - Thanks. I did not find so many 'syspila' this year, but what was found was pleasing to the eye.
HornedFrog44 - From my knowledge and what I've witnessed in the field (an I've lots of pics to back this up dating back to 1990), a turtle that consumes a hook is as good as 'dead'. And I can imagine a very painful death at that.
York - Thank you sir. Your posts are always my favorites. I love your eyes of the world and perspective. Very unique. That cottonmouth shot was one of my favorites as well. I shot it with a 300 + converter to amp the power and distance. He was coming right to me, and I was planted waist deep in creek water....I had to either move out of the way and risk losing my light and angle, or I could fire off some shots....I chose the latter.
Rock ON!
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Jimi - Good points. Love your insight.
You mention:
"State regs in turtle-land have been evolving rapidly in the last decade...."
The 'evolving' part of this and the 'Kentucky' part just not so hand-in-hand Jimi. Kentucky not progressive at any level when it comes to the welfare and protection of her natural resources and especially flora and fauna. Just an ugly reality.
Thanks for the links. I am going to read over them carefully later this evening.
Phil - 'nuclear hot' it is. LOL. Thanks on the engagement comment. Hope you make some great finds this year sir.
Gary2sons - Thanks Gary. Do our Kentucky 'syspila' come close to ya'lls Mizzouri?? I think that the prettiest reds I have seen (and many from your posts) tell me the prettiest red milks may be from the 'Show Me' state.
moloch - Thanks David. I appreciate your comments especially on the turtles.
Berkeley - Thanks so much for the very kind comments.
Barry R. - Clonophis was discovered in the Jackson Purchase physical region of Kentucky in 1997 by our state's best - Scott Shupe.
Tamara - You are so kind Tamara. I am really happy you liked. I love all your posts, girl. Fantastic.
Jason - True on that - turts vs rattlers is pretty one sided. I think alot of it though is the 'danger' stigma associated with snakes and not so much the turtles. I get that.
Rock ON!
Dave
You mention:
"State regs in turtle-land have been evolving rapidly in the last decade...."
The 'evolving' part of this and the 'Kentucky' part just not so hand-in-hand Jimi. Kentucky not progressive at any level when it comes to the welfare and protection of her natural resources and especially flora and fauna. Just an ugly reality.
Thanks for the links. I am going to read over them carefully later this evening.
Phil - 'nuclear hot' it is. LOL. Thanks on the engagement comment. Hope you make some great finds this year sir.
Gary2sons - Thanks Gary. Do our Kentucky 'syspila' come close to ya'lls Mizzouri?? I think that the prettiest reds I have seen (and many from your posts) tell me the prettiest red milks may be from the 'Show Me' state.
moloch - Thanks David. I appreciate your comments especially on the turtles.
Berkeley - Thanks so much for the very kind comments.
Barry R. - Clonophis was discovered in the Jackson Purchase physical region of Kentucky in 1997 by our state's best - Scott Shupe.
Tamara - You are so kind Tamara. I am really happy you liked. I love all your posts, girl. Fantastic.
Jason - True on that - turts vs rattlers is pretty one sided. I think alot of it though is the 'danger' stigma associated with snakes and not so much the turtles. I get that.
Rock ON!
Dave
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Awesome post! The dragon plant is interesting, I had never heard of that sp. before.
Keep fighting the good fight against the turtle killers
Keep fighting the good fight against the turtle killers
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Outstanding pics! Can't wait to get the opportunity to go herping with you
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Great post! Thanks for putting this together, and looks like you really get around in ayear.. Loved the numerous habitat shots and of coarse the herp diversity all around!
-Dan
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Coluber constictor - Green Dragons and turtles - Don't get no better than that!
beamer69 - You have...and you (we) will again. Remember the vultures on our first???
Speckled Rosy - Dan thanks for the kind comments.
Dave
beamer69 - You have...and you (we) will again. Remember the vultures on our first???
Speckled Rosy - Dan thanks for the kind comments.
Dave
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Absolutely OUTSTANDING!!
Thank you for taking the time to post this! Loved it all!
Thank you for taking the time to post this! Loved it all!
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Wow! Thanks for sharing!!
-Chris
-Chris
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My jaw dropped lower and lower as I looked through that post, incredible finds! My favorite photo has to be that watersnake with all the little ones, that's awesome, fantastic photos all around!
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Absolutely amazing pics, especially the basking map turtles...damn...I need to get a better camera. Good job...
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Man, that was an outrageous post! I particularly like the turtles, but all around... wow.
-Jake
-Jake
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Dave,
You are welcome here anytime, bring the family. We'll put you and yours up for as long as you like. I'm still PLANNING on getting a lot of herping in this season. I think I can balance being an attentive father and getting enough field time in. I've over estimated myself before though. This monsoon season works for me!
Michael Cravens
You are welcome here anytime, bring the family. We'll put you and yours up for as long as you like. I'm still PLANNING on getting a lot of herping in this season. I think I can balance being an attentive father and getting enough field time in. I've over estimated myself before though. This monsoon season works for me!
Michael Cravens