My first couple of months living in herp paradise, SE Qld
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My first couple of months living in herp paradise, SE Qld
I've been wanting to make this post for some time but have been far too busy with work. I'm no less busy now, but I figured I better get it out of the way so I could concentrate more effectively on work (that's my excuse to myself anyway).
A little over two months ago I moved to a place I've been visiting for the purposes of reptile hunting for over 10 years. The place in question is a mountain on the outskirts of Brisbane, Southeast Queensland, Australia. People say it's not like "the good old days" up here and that reptile numbers are down. I admit to not having experienced one of the 30+ snake nights that people claim used to be fairly common occurrences up here....but I still think the herping is pretty good. On top of that, the bird watching opportunities are wonderful, there are all sorts of cool inverts and mammals around, and there's more forest (of just about every kind you get in this region) than you can poke a stick at. Regardless of whether or not the herping today can compare to the herping of yesteryear, I'm rather glad I made the move up here - all these photos were taken without about 20km (12 miles) of my house.
There are still a few things I haven't seen since moving here and a whole bunch of common things I've seen but not yet photographed (eg. almost all the skinks!).
The following photos are posted in no particular order. I have plenty more to post and will do a follow up in this thread at some point in the not too distant future - until then, enjoy (hopefully)!
Southern spotted velvet gecko - Oedura tryoni. I have a whole bunch of these lovely geckos living on my house.
Decisions decisions......he wisely decided not to attack this large Cerambycid beetle
Eastern carpet python - Morelia spilota mcdowelli. Probably one of the two most common snake species up here.
Bandy bandy - Vermicella annulata.
Litoria wilcoxii
Eulamprus martini
Gnarly old common scaly foot - Pygopus lepidopodus
Pink-tongued skink - Cyclodomorphus gerrardii
Red-eyed tree frog - Litoria chloris
Cerambycid beetle
Anomalopus verreauxii
The gatekeeper - Varanus varius (lace monitor)
You shall not pass!
Shrooms
My local pest control service - Oedura tryoni
Hmmm.....what's this?
Common death adder - Acanthophis antarcticus
Mountain brush-tailed possum - Trichosurus caninus
Common tree snake - Dendrelaphis punctulatus
Golden-crowned snake Cacophis squamulosus
Dainty tree frog - Litoria gracilenta
Morelia spilota mcdowelli - how I find most of these guys
Green tree frog - Litoria caerulea
Eastern small-eyed snake - Cryptophis nigrescens. Probably the other most common species of snake up here.
Great barred frog - Mixophyes fasciolatus
Cyclodomorphus gerrardii
Monster female adder - Acanthophis antarcticus
Funnel-web spider - Hadronyche infensa
Vermicella annulata
Rambutan mushroom
I saw this carpet python in the same spot on two occasions a fortnight apart, I've since been back and he's moved on. He looked very old and very decrepit but I like to think he snagged himself a nice juicy pademelon and slithered off to spend a month digesting it.
Rough-scaled snake - Tropidechis carinatus
Emerald-spotted tree frog - Litoria peronii
Black-bellied swamp snake - Hemiaspis signata
Voyeurism - Litoria gracilenta
Crimson rosella (Platycercus elegans) and king parrots (Alisterus scapularis)
Yellow-faced whip snake - Demansia psammophis
Another carpet
Cacophis squamulosus
Eastern dwarf green tree frog - Litoria fallax
Huntsman spider - Typostola barbata
Litoria chloris
Another adder
A little over two months ago I moved to a place I've been visiting for the purposes of reptile hunting for over 10 years. The place in question is a mountain on the outskirts of Brisbane, Southeast Queensland, Australia. People say it's not like "the good old days" up here and that reptile numbers are down. I admit to not having experienced one of the 30+ snake nights that people claim used to be fairly common occurrences up here....but I still think the herping is pretty good. On top of that, the bird watching opportunities are wonderful, there are all sorts of cool inverts and mammals around, and there's more forest (of just about every kind you get in this region) than you can poke a stick at. Regardless of whether or not the herping today can compare to the herping of yesteryear, I'm rather glad I made the move up here - all these photos were taken without about 20km (12 miles) of my house.
There are still a few things I haven't seen since moving here and a whole bunch of common things I've seen but not yet photographed (eg. almost all the skinks!).
The following photos are posted in no particular order. I have plenty more to post and will do a follow up in this thread at some point in the not too distant future - until then, enjoy (hopefully)!
Southern spotted velvet gecko - Oedura tryoni. I have a whole bunch of these lovely geckos living on my house.
Decisions decisions......he wisely decided not to attack this large Cerambycid beetle
Eastern carpet python - Morelia spilota mcdowelli. Probably one of the two most common snake species up here.
Bandy bandy - Vermicella annulata.
Litoria wilcoxii
Eulamprus martini
Gnarly old common scaly foot - Pygopus lepidopodus
Pink-tongued skink - Cyclodomorphus gerrardii
Red-eyed tree frog - Litoria chloris
Cerambycid beetle
Anomalopus verreauxii
The gatekeeper - Varanus varius (lace monitor)
You shall not pass!
Shrooms
My local pest control service - Oedura tryoni
Hmmm.....what's this?
Common death adder - Acanthophis antarcticus
Mountain brush-tailed possum - Trichosurus caninus
Common tree snake - Dendrelaphis punctulatus
Golden-crowned snake Cacophis squamulosus
Dainty tree frog - Litoria gracilenta
Morelia spilota mcdowelli - how I find most of these guys
Green tree frog - Litoria caerulea
Eastern small-eyed snake - Cryptophis nigrescens. Probably the other most common species of snake up here.
Great barred frog - Mixophyes fasciolatus
Cyclodomorphus gerrardii
Monster female adder - Acanthophis antarcticus
Funnel-web spider - Hadronyche infensa
Vermicella annulata
Rambutan mushroom
I saw this carpet python in the same spot on two occasions a fortnight apart, I've since been back and he's moved on. He looked very old and very decrepit but I like to think he snagged himself a nice juicy pademelon and slithered off to spend a month digesting it.
Rough-scaled snake - Tropidechis carinatus
Emerald-spotted tree frog - Litoria peronii
Black-bellied swamp snake - Hemiaspis signata
Voyeurism - Litoria gracilenta
Crimson rosella (Platycercus elegans) and king parrots (Alisterus scapularis)
Yellow-faced whip snake - Demansia psammophis
Another carpet
Cacophis squamulosus
Eastern dwarf green tree frog - Litoria fallax
Huntsman spider - Typostola barbata
Litoria chloris
Another adder
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Wow...lots of great stuff! SO jealous! That second Adder is gorgeous!
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Great post! You're lucky to have such an awesome variety at your disposal.
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Yay, the post happened! Great shots, Tim!
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I like the gecko eating the moth or whatever it is
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Thanks guys! Definitely feeling lucky to be living here.
Yes Dave, I finally got around to it....and I haven't forgotten you either (see below).
A few more piccies:
Tusked frog - Adelotus brevis
White-crowned snake - Cacophis harrietae
Mountain katydid - Acripeza reticulata
Stop the presses, I photographed a little brown skink. - Saproscincus rosei
Freshwater snake - Tropidonophis mairii
Only the brave go herping around here - forum member crocdoc's ankle after I took him for a walk...there are more than a few leeches around after a little rain.
I've seen a few of these newly-hatched carpet pythons - Morelia spilota mcdowelli
I've seen a few adders too - Acanthophis antarcticus
Burton's legless lizard - Lialis burtonis
Yes, I like these - Litoria gracilenta
Huntsman spider - Heteropoda isopoda
A very bad photo of a very cool skink (yes, cool skinks DO exist!). This is the far less common of the two Bellatorias skinks up here, I'm yet to photograph any major skinks (Bellatorias frerei). Land mullet - Bellatorias major
Shy scaly foot - Pygopus lepidopodus
Female rhinoceros beetle - Xylotrupes ulysses
Striped marsh frog - Limnodynastes peronii
There are some huge blind snakes up here, this Ramphotyphlops ligatus was a good 50cm long. They suck to photograph though.
Uperoleia fusca (?)
Brown tree snake - Boiga irregularis. I had much better photos of another individual but my memory card decided to delete them.
Mixophyes fasciolatus
Foraging lace monitor - Varanus varius
Yes Dave, I finally got around to it....and I haven't forgotten you either (see below).
A few more piccies:
Tusked frog - Adelotus brevis
White-crowned snake - Cacophis harrietae
Mountain katydid - Acripeza reticulata
Stop the presses, I photographed a little brown skink. - Saproscincus rosei
Freshwater snake - Tropidonophis mairii
Only the brave go herping around here - forum member crocdoc's ankle after I took him for a walk...there are more than a few leeches around after a little rain.
I've seen a few of these newly-hatched carpet pythons - Morelia spilota mcdowelli
I've seen a few adders too - Acanthophis antarcticus
Burton's legless lizard - Lialis burtonis
Yes, I like these - Litoria gracilenta
Huntsman spider - Heteropoda isopoda
A very bad photo of a very cool skink (yes, cool skinks DO exist!). This is the far less common of the two Bellatorias skinks up here, I'm yet to photograph any major skinks (Bellatorias frerei). Land mullet - Bellatorias major
Shy scaly foot - Pygopus lepidopodus
Female rhinoceros beetle - Xylotrupes ulysses
Striped marsh frog - Limnodynastes peronii
There are some huge blind snakes up here, this Ramphotyphlops ligatus was a good 50cm long. They suck to photograph though.
Uperoleia fusca (?)
Brown tree snake - Boiga irregularis. I had much better photos of another individual but my memory card decided to delete them.
Mixophyes fasciolatus
Foraging lace monitor - Varanus varius
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I love them too, they're common but I never tire of them and their ludicrous defensive displays.Coluber Constrictor wrote:Man, Australia has some weird stuff. Love the Bandy-bandies!
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Wow, so many good finds and photos, Tim. Looks like you are having a terrific time up there.
The rambutan fungus was certainly odd. Also loved the katydid. I've seen those or a related species in the Warrumbungles and they are really stunning.
Regards,
David
The rambutan fungus was certainly odd. Also loved the katydid. I've seen those or a related species in the Warrumbungles and they are really stunning.
Regards,
David
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Thanks David, I wanted to get a photo of the katydid on the ground but by the time I got my camera out she had stopped displaying.
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Nothing short of amazing. You're so lucky to be able to up and move to a herp paradise.
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Hans Breuer (twoton) wrote:Nothing short of amazing. You're so lucky to be able to up and move to a herp paradise.
I'm going to assume you're being intentionally ironic
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Uh, no. You are lucky, are you not?
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Nice work Tim, great and sharp photos of wonderful animals...I am especially impressed with the common tree snake, a species I don't recall seeing posted before, stunning colors. Also the Burton's legless lizards, a very bizarre species that would be my no. 1 goal to see if/when I visit down there.
Thanks for posting, we really enjoy these shoots down under...
Vic
Thanks for posting, we really enjoy these shoots down under...
Vic
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Haha I'm very lucky. People might say that you have also recently moved to a herp paradise thoughHans Breuer (twoton) wrote:Uh, no. You are lucky, are you not?
Thanks Vic, I'm a big fan of Burton's legless lizards too, they are a unique and exceptionally variable species.
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True. But it's not a 30-snakes-a-night-paradise. I went road cruising with Jason Luke and his herping party last night on my favorite road, in perfect weather (rainrainrain) and found two frogs and a DOR Boiga....TNWJackson wrote:People might say that you have also recently moved to a herp paradise though
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man..... I gotta come visit you sometime..... my trip to Australia was completely unfair....
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To be fair Hans I've not broken double figures in snakes on a single night since moving here...the potential is there but everything has to fall into place for one of those magical (or maybe that's "mythical") nights to occur.
You definitely should come visit Kevin, you're welcome any time but you should plan it around the best herping season (which varies depending on where you want to go and what you want to see).
You definitely should come visit Kevin, you're welcome any time but you should plan it around the best herping season (which varies depending on where you want to go and what you want to see).
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Fantastic post Tim, I'm incredibly jealous of all those adders you've been finding! Perfect excuse to head back over to Brisbane sometime though.
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I suspect the main problem is that you did too much herping with Jonno - the adders hear him coming a mile off.Azemiops wrote:Fantastic post Tim, I'm incredibly jealous of all those adders you've been finding! Perfect excuse to head back over to Brisbane sometime though.
Are you in Australia permanently now?
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Ha, its not the case of them hearing him coming a mile off, its more the case of him driving past them at 300km an hour whilst 'road-cruising'!TNWJackson wrote:I suspect the main problem is that you did too much herping with Jonno - the adders hear him coming a mile off.Azemiops wrote:Fantastic post Tim, I'm incredibly jealous of all those adders you've been finding! Perfect excuse to head back over to Brisbane sometime though.
Are you in Australia permanently now?
Sadly we aren't here permanently, our visa finished in July. But will be back over next year for sure
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Stunning.. the only problem is that I'm not there. It certainly is a paradise. Love the invertebrate shots as well. There are more than just herps out there. Keep up the good work.
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Haha very true! I was overtaken by some fools driving at similar speeds last night....a few kms down the road I found a fat female adder split in half by one of their tyresAzemiops wrote: Ha, its not the case of them hearing him coming a mile off, its more the case of him driving past them at 300km an hour whilst 'road-cruising'!
Thanks Maarten - definitely agree there's more to life (and nature) than herps. When I get a decent macro lens I'll spend a lot more time photographing inverts I'm sure.
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Nice pics Tim. You've certainly been rewarded for putting in the long hours.
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I love the bandy bandy!
What's the deal with the body arching? I'm not well versed in the behavior of snakes outside of North America (ie: Texas), but I think it's neat seeing all these shots of body arching with them.
What's the deal with the body arching? I'm not well versed in the behavior of snakes outside of North America (ie: Texas), but I think it's neat seeing all these shots of body arching with them.
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It's presumed to be a form of threat display. They seem more inclined (Macdonald, pers. comm. and personal experience) to do it when caught out in the open than when they see the option to flee (when they may rely on the "flicker fusion" effect caused by their striking bands). To be honest I can't imagine anything being all that intimidated by this display but maybe it's just so weird that potential predators are confused by it. They are actually an elapid with venom that is loaded with neurotoxins but, like some similarly banded, fossorial and ophiophagus elapids from other parts of the world, they seem disinclined to bite defensively (unless you really piss them off - Macdonald, pers. comm.).
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Thanks for the information. I'd be interested to see what effects it has on predators, or if it is done for a single predator it encounters regularly, though I don't imagine any studies have been done on that. The only article I see that may have reference to it is on the body bridging done Crotalids in response to kingsnakes. (Burghardt and Weldon, The Ophiage Defense Response in Crotaline Snakes: Extension to New Taxa. 1979). I haven't pulled it up in JStore yet to read it though.TNWJackson wrote:It's presumed to be a form of threat display. They seem more inclined (Macdonald, pers. comm. and personal experience) to do it when caught out in the open than when they see the option to flee (when they may rely on the "flicker fusion" effect caused by their striking bands). To be honest I can't imagine anything being all that intimidated by this display but maybe it's just so weird that potential predators are confused by it. They are actually an elapid with venom that is loaded with neurotoxins but, like some similarly banded, fossorial and ophiophagus elapids from other parts of the world, they seem disinclined to bite defensively (unless you really piss them off - Macdonald, pers. comm.).
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Too awesome for words. I'm halfway to obsessed with carpet pythons and i loved seeing these. Looks like you're livin the dream
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Great post! Why do you think herp numbers are down where you are?
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Thanks guys!
I'm not aware of any work having been done on the efficacy (or otherwise) of the bandy bandy defensive display. Interesting that you reference "ophiophage defence" in crotalids - in the bandy bandy's world it is the ophiophage (its diet largely consists of blind snakes but it will also eat burrowing skinks and pygopodids) rather than the ophiophagee (yes, I just made that word up).
Kfen, to be honest I'm not sure herp numbers ARE down. I am always skeptical of people claiming knowledge of population trends based on what animals they see crossing roads. There could be a lot of reasons less animals are being seen on roads, only one of which is population decline.
Regardless, some have suggested it's poaching, but I consider that highly unlikely. I doubt the ability of poachers to affect the populations of reptiles in a 1000 ha. National Park with one little road running through the middle of it (although admittedly it runs through some of the best rainforest habitat). Additionally (as a friend sagely pointed out in a recent discussion), it isn't only the charismatic (and desirable) species that seemed to have declined, it was also things like blind snakes and small-eyed snakes, which no one would be poaching.
I think it's more likely that any trends in either population size or simply in activity levels (and hence sightings on roads) may have been driven by weather patterns. There was drought for seven years in this area of Queensland which may have had an effect. It has been much wetter in the past few years and I can say with confidence that the frog populations up here at least are thriving again. I haven't been living here long enough to say much else but I've been averaging 5-6 snakes a night on nights when conditions are only so-so. I haven't actually had any herping conditions I'd consider ideal and if I had I wouldn't be surprised to have seen a lot of critters out and about. Having said that, when conditions are great up here a lot of people come looking for snakes....so there's always the possibility that someone up ahead of you is moving a lot of snakes off the road (not necessarily poaching) that you might otherwise have seen.
Just finally (I'm waffling now I know), the recent wet weather could have a big effect on local cane toad populations too. Even though toads have been here a long time (about 60 years), the ebb and flow of their population size (largely driven by weather patterns I've no doubt) may have an effect on the populations of anurophagous reptiles around here too.
So...not only am I not convinced that reptile numbers are down, I think that even if they are there are too many variables for anyone to be able to say with confidence why that might be. Yes, it is very comfortable up here on my fence
I'm not aware of any work having been done on the efficacy (or otherwise) of the bandy bandy defensive display. Interesting that you reference "ophiophage defence" in crotalids - in the bandy bandy's world it is the ophiophage (its diet largely consists of blind snakes but it will also eat burrowing skinks and pygopodids) rather than the ophiophagee (yes, I just made that word up).
Kfen, to be honest I'm not sure herp numbers ARE down. I am always skeptical of people claiming knowledge of population trends based on what animals they see crossing roads. There could be a lot of reasons less animals are being seen on roads, only one of which is population decline.
Regardless, some have suggested it's poaching, but I consider that highly unlikely. I doubt the ability of poachers to affect the populations of reptiles in a 1000 ha. National Park with one little road running through the middle of it (although admittedly it runs through some of the best rainforest habitat). Additionally (as a friend sagely pointed out in a recent discussion), it isn't only the charismatic (and desirable) species that seemed to have declined, it was also things like blind snakes and small-eyed snakes, which no one would be poaching.
I think it's more likely that any trends in either population size or simply in activity levels (and hence sightings on roads) may have been driven by weather patterns. There was drought for seven years in this area of Queensland which may have had an effect. It has been much wetter in the past few years and I can say with confidence that the frog populations up here at least are thriving again. I haven't been living here long enough to say much else but I've been averaging 5-6 snakes a night on nights when conditions are only so-so. I haven't actually had any herping conditions I'd consider ideal and if I had I wouldn't be surprised to have seen a lot of critters out and about. Having said that, when conditions are great up here a lot of people come looking for snakes....so there's always the possibility that someone up ahead of you is moving a lot of snakes off the road (not necessarily poaching) that you might otherwise have seen.
Just finally (I'm waffling now I know), the recent wet weather could have a big effect on local cane toad populations too. Even though toads have been here a long time (about 60 years), the ebb and flow of their population size (largely driven by weather patterns I've no doubt) may have an effect on the populations of anurophagous reptiles around here too.
So...not only am I not convinced that reptile numbers are down, I think that even if they are there are too many variables for anyone to be able to say with confidence why that might be. Yes, it is very comfortable up here on my fence
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Thank you for such a detailed response. I figured no one would know for sure, but was wondering what some of the hypothesis may be.
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I look forward to it.TNWJackson wrote:Thanks Maarten - definitely agree there's more to life (and nature) than herps. When I get a decent macro lens I'll spend a lot more time photographing inverts I'm sure.
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Awesome shots Tim, I really need to spend more time up on the east coast.
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Super excellent thread. You captured the bandy behavior very well. I had no idea it occured to such an extent.. that one had what looked to be 2/3's of it's body in the air!
That Dendrelaphis picture really has me thinking the genus needs some splitting. It looks more like a rat snake in shape than the dendrelaphis I"m more familiar with, D. cyanochloris and D. formosus.
Ian
That Dendrelaphis picture really has me thinking the genus needs some splitting. It looks more like a rat snake in shape than the dendrelaphis I"m more familiar with, D. cyanochloris and D. formosus.
Ian
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Thanks Jordan - indeed you do, plenty of stuff to see around here (and everywhere else in Australia - I need to see more of the West!).
Thanks Joey - that particular bandy picture is probably the highest I've ever seen one throw a loop. I wouldn't read too much into the Dendrelaphis photo, that is a particularly large specimen and they really thicken up when they get to that size. I've seen large caudolineatus that had a not dissimilar shape and smaller punctulatus retain the classic Dendrelaphis body shape. Add in the fact that that picture is of the snake flattened its head and neck in a threat display and that confounds the issue further. Not saying they're not different from the Asian species, they are, just probably not quite as different as that photo might suggest.
Thanks Joey - that particular bandy picture is probably the highest I've ever seen one throw a loop. I wouldn't read too much into the Dendrelaphis photo, that is a particularly large specimen and they really thicken up when they get to that size. I've seen large caudolineatus that had a not dissimilar shape and smaller punctulatus retain the classic Dendrelaphis body shape. Add in the fact that that picture is of the snake flattened its head and neck in a threat display and that confounds the issue further. Not saying they're not different from the Asian species, they are, just probably not quite as different as that photo might suggest.
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VERY nice. Did a "quick" 20 minute scan and realized I'll need MUCH more time to fully appreciate your work.... so I'll be back. WOW.
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Awesome post, Tim!! But whats with that little brown skink you photographed? I had no idea you were that way inclined!!
You certainly live in a great part of SE Qld. As for those Adders... I think you're lying!
You certainly live in a great part of SE Qld. As for those Adders... I think you're lying!
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Thanks DaveR!
You're right about the adders....I just dressed up a bunch of small-eyed and crowned snakes for those photos.
Yeah...I still feel dirty about that skink. I keep washing my hands but the lame just won't come off!DanTheMan wrote:Awesome post, Tim!! But whats with that little brown skink you photographed? I had no idea you were that way inclined!!
You certainly live in a great part of SE Qld. As for those Adders... I think you're lying!
You're right about the adders....I just dressed up a bunch of small-eyed and crowned snakes for those photos.
Re: My first couple of months living in herp paradise, SE Ql
I knew it! Just Golden-crowned's though, right? White-crowned's are rarer than adders!
Re: My first couple of months living in herp paradise, SE Ql
"Yeah...I still feel dirty about that skink. I keep washing my hands but the lame just won't come off!"
When you boys grow up into real herpetoloists, you'll reflect on such comments and hang your heads in deep regret.
When you boys grow up into real herpetoloists, you'll reflect on such comments and hang your heads in deep regret.
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Re: My first couple of months living in herp paradise, SE Ql
Hahaha of course - golden-crowneds have more appropriately shaped heads tooDanTheMan wrote:I knew it! Just Golden-crowned's though, right? White-crowned's are rarer than adders!
Whatever Scott, you're just sore because my study animals eat your study animals.