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by Richard F. Hoyer
July 12th, 2016, 6:31 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Question to Richard Hoyer regarding Rubber and Rosy boas
Replies: 11
Views: 3978

Re: Question to Richard Hoyer regarding Rubber and Rosy boas

Scott, Thank for the education (and link). The explanations could explain the dwarf morphs that occur as isolated populations in the 'sky island' habitat that exist in S. Calif. But it does not fit the dwarf morph population on the S. Kern Plateau and what may be a dwarf population in the southern p...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 12th, 2016, 8:30 am
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Question to Richard Hoyer regarding Rubber and Rosy boas
Replies: 11
Views: 3978

Re: Question to Richard Hoyer regarding Rubber and Rosy boas

Scottriv, I could take you to the precise road as it is a forest service road into what was called the Allison Ranch. When I took the gentleman there and opened the gate at the entrance is when he related the occurrence of what had transpired. He showed me the spot just inside the gate where the lef...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 11th, 2016, 8:33 am
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 31731

Re: Dishonesty in government

Jacob,
You now have had a chance to ‘digest’ the many point of view that have been posted in this thread. So has your position remained unchanged? Or perhaps, do you now have a better understanding?

Richard F. Hoyer
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 10th, 2016, 9:56 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Question to Richard Hoyer regarding Rubber and Rosy boas
Replies: 11
Views: 3978

Re: Question to Richard Hoyer regarding Rubber and Rosy boas

Scottri, Although what I am about to post I covered sometime last year or the year before, I might as well fill in a few more ‘blanks’ for Scott. There are some peculiarities with respect to the distribution of various populations of the Rubber Boa in S. Calif. The Southern Rubber Boa subspecies pop...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 10th, 2016, 7:08 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Question to Richard Hoyer regarding Rubber and Rosy boas
Replies: 11
Views: 3978

Re: Question to Richard Hoyer regarding Rubber and Rosy boas

Scottriv, It seems to me that the Rosy Boa has some rather distinct morphs with respect to coloration. And I recall seeing something that suggests there also may be some size differences between some populations. In the Rubber Boa, the one major difference I have detected is where there appears to b...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 10th, 2016, 10:05 am
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Question to Richard Hoyer regarding Rubber and Rosy boas
Replies: 11
Views: 3978

Re: Question to Richard Hoyer regarding Rubber and Rosy boas

Scottriv., Just now saw your post so sorry for not responding sooner. It is clear to me you are more up to date on the historical aspects of the two species than myself. What you mention about distribution up to the end of the most recent ice age is similar to the speculation that myself, Richard To...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 8th, 2016, 9:25 am
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 31731

Re: Dishonesty in government

Jimi, I understand what you are saying about becoming involved and taking part in the process. I have now appeared three times before the Oregon Wildlife Commission with the last time this past June 9th. But what is missing is that if we had competent and honest leadership in state wildlife agencies...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 7th, 2016, 8:16 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 31731

Re: Dishonesty in government

Kelley Mc., The two other topics you mentioned were the Precautionary Principle and disease. Some time ago, I believe I posted my critique on the PP so I will not repeat that here. As for the issue of disease, once again I have not taken time to investigate the scientific literature with respect to ...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 6th, 2016, 4:00 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 31731

Re: Dishonesty in government

Kelly Mc, With my understanding of biological realities, back in the late 1960’s, I analyzed the issue of releasing snakes. I came to the conclusion that snakes captured then released were found should not pose any problem. I then put that analysis to practice. Over the years, I have released a numb...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 4th, 2016, 9:24 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 31731

Re: Dishonesty in government

dthor6, I urge you re-read my recent posts in response to Jacob. You should find answers to some of your questions. I generally try to keep my responses civil. But with you, I will make an exception. You need to learn that there are ways of disagreeing without being disagreeable. That being said, I ...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 4th, 2016, 8:06 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 31731

Re: Dishonesty in government

Kelly Mc., With respect to your latest question, here is where one needs to do some ‘homework’ in order to potentially understand any impact that incidental collecting by the public might have. And it is essential that one examine that issue with respect to the individual species. So here again, you...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 4th, 2016, 7:04 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 31731

Re: Dishonesty in government

Jacob, So back to your post. #1) I hope you would agree that the reason for having universities with majors in wildlife science it that graduate wildlife biologists use science based methods when assessing and managing species of wildlife. In the time you have been a student in wildlife science, has...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 4th, 2016, 6:30 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 31731

Re: Dishonesty in government

Jacob, Concerning your post, I have no real ‘quarrel’ with the rank and fine biologists employed by wildlife agencies. My displeasure is aimed at the current and past leadership of wildlife agencies. As for not being questioned by others on this forum, you may be right in this instance. But in the p...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 4th, 2016, 5:25 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 31731

Re: Dishonesty in government

Jacob, To give you some perspective, it wasn’t until my junior year in college that I finally understood why hunting and fishing did not deplete wildlife resources. That was when the head of the big game division of the Washington Wildlife agency came to OSU and gave a talk to our junior class or pe...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 3rd, 2016, 8:17 am
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 31731

Re: Dishonesty in government

Kelly Mc., Some of what you write is above my ability to comprehend. But in your latest post, I believe I get the gist of what you are saying. So when you refer to ‘subtexts’, if I understand correctly, you certainly are correct. As subtexts, you mention the ‘Precautionary Principle’, release of cap...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 2nd, 2016, 8:27 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 31731

Re: Dishonesty in government

Jacob, Thanks for taking the time to respond to my initial post. I will eventually answer your post later but it is late and I will be busy tomorrow. In the meantime, would you please tell me what you have been taught as to why it is possible to harvest game species year after year and still have su...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 2nd, 2016, 8:03 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 31731

Re: Dishonesty in government

Kelly Mc., As you might note, I use the terms ‘harvest’ and ‘harvesting’ in reference to wildlife resources. During my undergraduate days in Fisheries and Wildlife at Oregon State U. (1951 – 1955), wildlife was mentioned as being a crop of the land. And thus those terms were routinely used here at O...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 2nd, 2016, 8:00 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 31731

Re: Dishonesty in government

stlouisdude, It is a given the most members of the public do not understand the basic principles that govern wildlife populations. Thus, the general public can be ‘excused’ for not understanding why is it possibly to harvest species of wildlife without depleting such resources. But for the past 19 y...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 2nd, 2016, 7:56 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 31731

Re: Dishonesty in government

Tom, The best that might be said for the practice of listing non-game species as ‘protected’ is that possibly it might have some slight symbolic value. But even if that were the case, such symbolic value still represents a form of deceit as listing non-game species in a protected status has absolute...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 1st, 2016, 8:53 am
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 31731

Dishonesty in government

A prior thread identified a case of fraudulent behavior by a governmental agency. I believe such behavior in government is more widespread than most would imagine. On occasion, I have thought about contacting some major media outlet to see if they would undertake an exposé story by documenting the v...
by Richard F. Hoyer
June 28th, 2016, 2:39 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: CA Chapter trip to Kennedy Meadows June 24-26, 2016
Replies: 40
Views: 20857

Re: CA Chapter trip to Kennedy Meadows June 24-26, 2016

I wish to express my appreciation to the individuals that were able to attend the S. Kern Plateau herp search this past weekend. Those that were present, of which I am aware, were Jeff Nordland and his sons Trevor and Brady, Matt Gruen, Robert and Nicholas Hess, Mark Buck, Ben Delancey. Chris Patnau...
by Richard F. Hoyer
June 20th, 2016, 10:55 am
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Anyone know any Good Campsites along North Coast?
Replies: 4
Views: 2435

Re: Anyone know any Good Campsites along North Coast?

Brian, For a few years, we camped at Van Damme State Park in Mendicino Co. It has the features you mention. It is located north of where Hwy. 128 intersects Hwy 1 and is a few miles north of Albion. The park is south of Fort Bragg and where Hwy. 20 intersects Hwy. 1 It was in 1998 that a little over...
by Richard F. Hoyer
June 19th, 2016, 9:18 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Counting Subcaudal Scales?
Replies: 6
Views: 3207

Re: Counting Subcaudal Scales?

MCHerper, Not so quick of an answer. What species are you interested in and does it have caudals that are divided or entire? For taxonomic purposes, I have recorded caudals counts in three species two of which have divided caudals and one with entire caudals. The latter species is the Rubber Boa whi...
by Richard F. Hoyer
June 18th, 2016, 8:21 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: CA Chapter trip to Kennedy Meadows June 24-26, 2016
Replies: 40
Views: 20857

Re: CA Chapter trip to Kennedy Meadows June 24-26, 2016

Robert H., This is sort of a follow-up that relates to what I sent you in my private message about my mark / recapture efforts with the boa. One of my main Rubber Boa study sites is bisected by a large creek, about 40 feet wide. The main part of the site is on the east side of the creek. Once there ...
by Richard F. Hoyer
June 18th, 2016, 1:48 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: CA Chapter trip to Kennedy Meadows June 24-26, 2016
Replies: 40
Views: 20857

Re: CA Chapter trip to Kennedy Meadows June 24-26, 2016

Jim B.
Robert H sent me a private message that explained the rational for the current policy. He did a great job as even as old and dense as I am, it made perfect sense. Thanks Robert for taking the time to explain.

Richard FH
by Richard F. Hoyer
June 17th, 2016, 10:34 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: CA Chapter trip to Kennedy Meadows June 24-26, 2016
Replies: 40
Views: 20857

Re: CA Chapter trip to Kennedy Meadows June 24-26, 2016

Jim, My need is to increase my sample size on the morphological data on specimens from that region. I believe Dr. Feldman has sufficient tissue samples. And Rick Toshima's masters thesis already produced results that indicated the S. Kern Plateau boa population aligns with the southern clade. So aft...
by Richard F. Hoyer
June 14th, 2016, 9:32 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: A few Oregon laws about to change that could impact herping
Replies: 86
Views: 26262

Re: A few Oregon laws about to change that could impact herp

EE, Many of the species ODFW proposed placing into a hands-off, no collecting, protected status are ranked by NatureServe as S-4. That ranking reads as follows: “Not rare and apparently secure, but with cause for long-term concern, usually with more than 100 occurrences.” Can you, or anyone else, ex...
by Richard F. Hoyer
June 11th, 2016, 9:50 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: A few Oregon laws about to change that could impact herping
Replies: 86
Views: 26262

Re: A few Oregon laws about to change that could impact herp

The first item of business at the June 9th. Oregon Wildlife Commission meeting was the proposed revision of Div. 44 regulations. First, the ODFW staff veterinarian who was the individual in charge of formulating these regulation spent close to an hour explaining and justifying the regulation. My hea...
by Richard F. Hoyer
June 8th, 2016, 9:42 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: A few Oregon laws about to change that could impact herping
Replies: 86
Views: 26262

Re: A few Oregon laws about to change that could impact herp

Jimi, I really do not have that much of a gripe about the NatureServe rankings other than knowing their methodology produces bogus results as applied to the herps in Oregon. Knowing that the use of locality record data (EOs) is of marginal use for assessing relative abundance (rarity) of many herp s...
by Richard F. Hoyer
June 8th, 2016, 12:39 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: A few Oregon laws about to change that could impact herping
Replies: 86
Views: 26262

Re: A few Oregon laws about to change that could impact herp

JImi, Thanks for taking time to respond. The NatureServe, Natural Heritage, ORBIC groups I believe are affiliated with Portland State University and possibly Oregon State University as well. And right off the bat, let me mention that much of what you have mentioned reinforces my position that the Na...
by Richard F. Hoyer
June 6th, 2016, 10:47 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: A few Oregon laws about to change that could impact herping
Replies: 86
Views: 26262

Re: A few Oregon laws about to change that could impact herp

Jimi. There are state, national, and global rankings. The ORBIC / NatureServe state rank for the Night Snake in Oregon is S-3. And as is typical now of state wildlife agencies, neither NatureServe nor the ODFW have any evidence in support of that S-3 ranking for the Night Snake in Oregon. Below is w...
by Richard F. Hoyer
June 3rd, 2016, 8:18 am
Forum: The Forum
Topic: A few Oregon laws about to change that could impact herping
Replies: 86
Views: 26262

Re: A few Oregon laws about to change that could impact herp

I have not read through all posts on this thread but nevertheless, I offer the following: First off, I cannot find any conservation value whatsoever in the proposed regulations. Thus, they do not have any overall benefit to the general public. --------------------------------------------------------...
by Richard F. Hoyer
May 10th, 2016, 8:48 pm
Forum: Board Line
Topic: What are your thoughts?
Replies: 13
Views: 17730

Re: What are your thoughts?

TW, As a wildlife biologist, Mr. Rinella’s article is dead on. Not mentioned is that the individuals states have already made a mockery of their own Threatened and Endangers statues and listed of species. Calif. is typical. In 1971, the CDFG listed the S. Rubber Boa as “Rare” (later changes to ‘Thre...
by Richard F. Hoyer
May 1st, 2016, 9:54 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: White blotch Ensatina????
Replies: 15
Views: 4921

Re: White blotch Ensatina????

Jim,
Little be known that the fellow that has been painting these Ensatina all these years ran out of yellow paint. So he did the next best thing and used his white paint.

Richard FH
by Richard F. Hoyer
April 8th, 2016, 8:59 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: snake river/hells canyon zonata sightings
Replies: 8
Views: 4576

Re: snake river/hells canyon zonata sightings

Technoeado, Interesting post and thanks. Have these anecdotal accounts been reported just on the Oregon side or Idaho side as well? Just so you are informed, the non-game section of ODFW is not known to use any valid science whatsoever when the agency places species of snakes either on their Sensiti...
by Richard F. Hoyer
March 30th, 2016, 9:25 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: CA Chapter outing 2016
Replies: 56
Views: 23594

Re: CA Chapter outing 2016

PL, I agreed to the weekend dates of June 24 - 26 because of the plans laid out my Jeff Nordland. But I could easily come down a second time during July as well if that would be best for you. This year likely will be my last time traveling to S. Calif. Of course, I said that last year and the year b...
by Richard F. Hoyer
March 29th, 2016, 8:47 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: CA Chapter outing 2016
Replies: 56
Views: 23594

Re: CA Chapter outing 2016

Jim Bass, Jeff did get in touch with me. I had intended on arriving on the S. Kern Plateau in mid May as has been my usual routine the past few years. I have now changed plans and will arrive June 23rd. I mentioned to Jeff that should any boas be found, I could record the information on the snakes d...
by Richard F. Hoyer
March 13th, 2016, 10:16 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Sharp-tailed Snake/Golden Gate Park/ATTN: HOYER
Replies: 30
Views: 6664

Re: Sharp-tailed Snake/Golden Gate Park/ATTN: HOYER

Thanks Brian. It has been a number of years since I was in SF but I do recall seeing some habitat that looked as if it could potentially hold Contia.

RFH
by Richard F. Hoyer
March 10th, 2016, 11:02 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Sharp-tailed Snake/Golden Gate Park/ATTN: HOYER
Replies: 30
Views: 6664

Re: Sharp-tailed Snake/Golden Gate Park/ATTN: HOYER

Porter, As I alluded to, I haven't the foggiest idea how Sharp-tails find their way underground then find their way back to the surface. This is particularly true when the rains come and the soil likely expands during the fall then winter. I understand your possible explanations. But the one site I ...
by Richard F. Hoyer
March 9th, 2016, 9:03 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Sharp-tailed Snake/Golden Gate Park/ATTN: HOYER
Replies: 30
Views: 6664

Re: Sharp-tailed Snake/Golden Gate Park/ATTN: HOYER

Porter, It was about 1999 that I visited the site at Wheatland with John Stephenson. That being said, I would say most of the trash under which we found the Sharp-tails was within 10 – 30 feet from either the sidewalk if one was there or the curb along the highway. I do think there was a sidewalk bu...
by Richard F. Hoyer
March 8th, 2016, 10:58 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Sharp-tailed Snake/Golden Gate Park/ATTN: HOYER
Replies: 30
Views: 6664

Re: Sharp-tailed Snake/Golden Gate Park/ATTN: HOYER

Porter, One of the questions I have posed to myself and others (and remains a puzzle) is how do Sharp-tailed Snakes access their sub-surface environment? The only rodent holes at the site 16 miles northwest of Corvallis along the gravel road are Calif. Ground Squirrels. Any Sharp-tail encountered by...
by Richard F. Hoyer
March 7th, 2016, 9:31 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Sharp-tailed Snake/Golden Gate Park/ATTN: HOYER
Replies: 30
Views: 6664

Re: Sharp-tailed Snake/Golden Gate Park/ATTN: HOYER

Dr. Feldman mentioned to Zach that the photos represent vouchers as the snake is pretty shot. But I still suggest Zach contact CAS in San Francisco to see it they wish to have the specimen preserved.

Richard FH
by Richard F. Hoyer
March 7th, 2016, 9:27 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Sharp-tailed Snake/Golden Gate Park/ATTN: HOYER
Replies: 30
Views: 6664

Re: Sharp-tailed Snake/Golden Gate Park/ATTN: HOYER

Porter, The site at the west side of Wheatland was bordered on the north by railroad tracks, on the south by the highway to Marysville / Yuba City, on the west by a residence and on the east by a gravel road where we parked and two or three houses across the street. I likely have my field notes on t...
by Richard F. Hoyer
March 6th, 2016, 11:32 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: A question on wild snake growth rates.
Replies: 7
Views: 3238

Re: A question on wild snake growth rates.

Owen, Recently, I sent folders of data on Contia tenuis to Dr. C. Feldman's grad student. After she finishes up her masters program, current plans are that she will complete a draft on the Common Sharp-tailed Snake which will include information on growth recorded from over 400 recapture events I re...
by Richard F. Hoyer
March 6th, 2016, 11:14 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Sharp-tailed Snake/Golden Gate Park/ATTN: HOYER
Replies: 30
Views: 6664

Re: Sharp-tailed Snake/Golden Gate Park/ATTN: HOYER

Jeff, During my review of all vouchered Contia, I do not recall ever having examined one from San Francisco County. And in a private message from Dr. Chris Feldman to Zach and myself, Chris mentioned that very point. The maps Chris produced in our formal description of the Forest Sharp-tailed Snake ...
by Richard F. Hoyer
March 1st, 2016, 11:03 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Reactionary regulations in Oregon
Replies: 12
Views: 4040

Re: Reactionary regulations in Oregon

Brian,
I have always felt that there was money involved with states listing species in some category of concern. But I have never found the 'smoking gun' that would support my suspicions.

Richard FH
by Richard F. Hoyer
February 29th, 2016, 10:42 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Reactionary regulations in Oregon
Replies: 12
Views: 4040

Re: Reactionary regulations in Oregon

JG,
I am in the process of producing comments but if past experience is any indication, such comments are not likely to be effective. So I can only hope.

Richard F. Hoyer
by Richard F. Hoyer
February 25th, 2016, 10:16 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Reactionary regulations in Oregon
Replies: 12
Views: 4040

Re: Reactionary regulations in Oregon

I have tried to find out on what basis the 5 species of snake were to be included in a protected status. I have not been able to get anyone at the agency to respond with such information. ODFW already has had 4 species of snakes in a protected basis, the Ground Snake, Sharp-tailed Snake, Common King...
by Richard F. Hoyer
February 23rd, 2016, 9:41 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Reactionary regulations in Oregon
Replies: 12
Views: 4040

Reactionary regulations in Oregon

I am sorry to report that Oregon's wildlife agency is going down the same path as CDFW. ODFW is proposing the adoption of reactionary, mean spirited, repressive, and punitive draft revising existing regulations on herps in Oregon. The new laws are on ODFW’s website at: http://www.dfw.state.or.us/wil...
by Richard F. Hoyer
February 16th, 2016, 8:50 pm
Forum: News
Topic: Tiny spider eating Australian Brown Snake
Replies: 1
Views: 2469

Re: Tiny spider eating Australian Brown Snake

Jonathon,
During my study of the Common Sharp-tailed Snake in Oregon, under a rock in a landscaped front yard at a residence in Central Point, Oregon, I found a black widow spider that had snared and partly eaten a juvenile S. Alligator Lizard.

Richard F. Hoyer (Corvallis)