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by Richard F. Hoyer
September 19th, 2016, 8:30 pm
Forum: Reading Room
Topic: America's Snake: The Rise and Fall of the Timber Rattlesnake
Replies: 10
Views: 14916

Re: America's Snake: The Rise and Fall of the Timber Rattles

Beth, I am not up on what is contained in the scientific literature with respect to the life history of various species of snakes. But from what you mention that is reported about some of the life history aspect of the Timber Rattlesnake, your information pretty much is the same as for the species o...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 12th, 2016, 9:00 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Highest elevation herp in Oregon?
Replies: 5
Views: 3090

Re: Highest elevation herp in Oregon?

Jonathan. Steens Mt. rises to a lttle over 9700 ft. To the south of Steens Mt., I believe the Pueblo Mts. attain a height of a bit over 7000 ft. Then to the east, the Trout Creek Mts. and Oregon Canyon Creek Mts. I believe reach a bit over 8000 and 7000 ft. respectively. And the most neat thing abou...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 11th, 2016, 9:32 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Highest elevation herp in Oregon?
Replies: 5
Views: 3090

Re: Highest elevation herp in Oregon?

Jonathan, A number of years ago, I was contacted by a BLM biologist who along with a friend, observe a Rubber Boa traversing the Steens Mt. road at the junction with the Kiger Gorge road. He mentioned at the time that the elevation was about 9000 ft. I just now accessed my Google Earth and with the ...
by Richard F. Hoyer
August 31st, 2016, 9:39 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: An interesting article on the place of science in society
Replies: 68
Views: 35473

Re: An interesting article on the place of science in societ

Jimi,
It late and I just read the first few paragraphs of the article and indeed, it seem to be very interesting.

Richard F. Hoyer
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 31st, 2016, 4:08 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Tulare Co. Night Driving
Replies: 3
Views: 1756

Re: Tulare Co. Night Driving

PL, How far from the Inyo Co. line were the two boas you found? As you may know, Robert Hansen has a long term project recording live and DOR reptiles on Nine-mile Canyon Road but has yet to observe a boa on the Inyo side of the county line near where road enters Tulare Co. The past year or so, he d...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 29th, 2016, 7:33 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 33214

Re: Dishonesty in government

Jimi, On July 2nd, I sent a message to Eleanor P. Gaines, Zoology Projects Manager, Oregon Biodiversity Information Center, Institute for Natural Resources, Portland State University. Over the years, I have exchanged messages with Eleanor. Immediately below is a slightly edited version of my inquiri...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 29th, 2016, 11:20 am
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 33214

Re: Dishonesty in government

Bryan;
It works if you copy the entire 'link' then enter it on Google as I just did.

http://www.dfw.state.or.us/agency/commi ... /index.asp

Richard FH
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 29th, 2016, 9:31 am
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 33214

Re: Dishonesty in government

Bryan, Your first comment of 7/28 overlooks many aspects of the proposed revision of OAR Div. 44 regulations such as the negative impact those regulation will have on research. I know of 5 herpetologists that wrote comments to the commission including Dr. Robert Mason of OSU. Perhaps you might consi...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 29th, 2016, 7:59 am
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Gila Monsters threatened by climate change?
Replies: 32
Views: 13232

Re: Gila Monsters threatened by climate change?

The Rubber Boa tends to dehydrate more readily that many other species of snakes. Yet, a sizeable amount of the Rubber Boa’s distribution occurs in desert scrub type habitat far from any free sources of water ---- but invariably at higher elevations. I have speculated that during the warmer parts of...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 28th, 2016, 10:22 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Tulare Co. Night Driving
Replies: 3
Views: 1756

Re: Tulare Co. Night Driving

Paul L., Where were you when we needed you in June? Both look to be adults. If you didn't retain them, did you take elevation and locality information? And if so, could you post that information so I can file that information in my S Kern Plateau folder. Nice finds! Richard F. Hoyer ( [email protected]...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 28th, 2016, 12:12 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Gila Monsters threatened by climate change?
Replies: 32
Views: 13232

Re: Gila Monsters threatened by climate change?

vanAR; You have interpreted comments made by myself and others as being critical of Dr. DeNardo. That is not the case. Even without ever having viewed any of Dr. DeNardo’s publications on the Gila Monster, I automatically assumed his research results were valid. My criticism was solely directed at t...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 28th, 2016, 8:40 am
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 33214

Re: Dishonesty in government

Jonathan; Your reasoning is correct, that some individuals in every walk of life lack common sense and sometimes fail to exercise rational thinking processes. But what I have learned in life is that sometimes what I believe to be common sense and rational thinking can sometime be on shaky grounds wh...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 27th, 2016, 8:52 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 33214

Re: Dishonesty in government

stlousidude, You mention, “I am still trying to figure out what threat they are protecting them from?” Should you (or anyone else) ever discovers the answer, please inform me. I have yet to hear any rational explanation as to why wildlife agencies continually propose the irrational policy of placing...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 27th, 2016, 4:02 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Gila Monsters threatened by climate change?
Replies: 32
Views: 13232

Re: Gila Monsters threatened by climate change?

Kelly Mc.,
With respect to your post yesterday, I posted a response on the thread I started on July 1st.

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by Richard F. Hoyer
July 27th, 2016, 3:59 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 33214

Re: Dishonesty in government

Kelly Mc, You mentioned, “I would hope nothing - most especially anything invalid or badly founded ever gets in the way of your studies.” It's too late. Since winding up the SRB study in San Bernardino Co. in 1997, that same year I began concentrating my effort on other Rubber Boa populations that n...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 27th, 2016, 1:31 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Gila Monsters threatened by climate change?
Replies: 32
Views: 13232

Re: Gila Monsters threatened by climate change?

“Colorful, Venomous Lizard Is Declining Due to Climate Change” Van, Just reading the above headlines of the National Geographic article immediately told me that the journalist, editor, or someone at National Geographic, took journalistic liberties. No responsible professional would have written such...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 24th, 2016, 8:05 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Gila Monsters threatened by climate change?
Replies: 32
Views: 13232

Re: Gila Monsters threatened by climate change?

Kelly Mc. If anyone would spend time thinking about the issue of ‘demand’ (collecting for personal reasons), eventually they should reach the conclusion (as I did long ago), that recreational collecting of herps, by and large, is a self regulating and self limiting activity. I urge you (and others) ...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 23rd, 2016, 8:44 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Gila Monsters threatened by climate change?
Replies: 32
Views: 13232

Re: Gila Monsters threatened by climate change?

It would be my guess that perhaps Dr. Dale De Nardo wished he had not given the interview to the journalist. But then again, I am just guessing as I do not know the gentleman’s views about the affect of climate warming. A few years ago, there was a conference in Boise, Idaho (I believe) in which pap...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 20th, 2016, 12:34 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: The World's Smallest Crotalus
Replies: 7
Views: 3773

Re: The World's Smallest Crotalus

Herp.Mx,
Do you have a stretched, total length for the small neonate? And is there a range of lengths available for snakes considered to be adult males and adult females?

Richard F. Hoyer
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 17th, 2016, 7:55 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 33214

Re: Dishonesty in government

Ernie, Some of the quotes you posted by Dean Ripa are Priceless and so on target! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jonathon; On this forum, last year or the year before, I copied my critique of the so-called ‘Precautionary Princip...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 15th, 2016, 10:06 am
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 33214

Re: Dishonesty in government

Jonathon, In your July 12 post, you mention, “While I agree with the numbers you give Richard, asking people to stop making decisions based on their personal opinion is sort of like asking people to stop being human.” My skills a writing have never been very strong which may account for what seems t...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 14th, 2016, 9:44 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 33214

Re: Dishonesty in government

Jonathon, You are correct in that I likely made a poor choice with respect to the example of owl caper. Sorry for that. I understood the basic reasoning behind the killing of Barred Owl and I am well aware that such killing of the Barred Owls will have no overall negative affect on that species. My ...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 14th, 2016, 3:54 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 33214

Re: Dishonesty in government

Ernie, When you cite a paper, the normal practice is to provide the senior author. So in a sense, you incorrectly attributed that study and senior authorship to J. W. Gibbons where you should have mentioned Tuberville. It is my view that the field of conservation has now been hijacked by individuals...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 13th, 2016, 6:45 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 33214

Re: Dishonesty in government

Jonathon, From your first paragraph, I get the impression you consider it to be unrealistic for myself and the public to expect state wildlife agencies to assess and manage all non-game species in a professional manner. That is, the public should expect and accept that such wildlife agencies will us...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 12th, 2016, 9:46 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 33214

Re: Dishonesty in government

Jimi, I understand and agree with many points you have made, such as it is far better to try and ‘work with’ rather than to ‘antagonize’. As sound as your advice may be, and despite I believe you understand the problem I have identified, your advice sort of sidesteps the real problem. That is, after...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 12th, 2016, 9:22 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 33214

Re: Dishonesty in government

Ernie; You mention, "Also in that post I provided another detailed scenario demonstrating how a rare snake is created by the use of data manipulation. This time the biologist responsible was Whit Gibbon's." Can you give me a citation to that paper. I have one reprint of a paper By Dr. Gibbons and a ...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 12th, 2016, 6:31 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Question to Richard Hoyer regarding Rubber and Rosy boas
Replies: 11
Views: 4169

Re: Question to Richard Hoyer regarding Rubber and Rosy boas

Scott, Thank for the education (and link). The explanations could explain the dwarf morphs that occur as isolated populations in the 'sky island' habitat that exist in S. Calif. But it does not fit the dwarf morph population on the S. Kern Plateau and what may be a dwarf population in the southern p...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 12th, 2016, 8:30 am
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Question to Richard Hoyer regarding Rubber and Rosy boas
Replies: 11
Views: 4169

Re: Question to Richard Hoyer regarding Rubber and Rosy boas

Scottriv, I could take you to the precise road as it is a forest service road into what was called the Allison Ranch. When I took the gentleman there and opened the gate at the entrance is when he related the occurrence of what had transpired. He showed me the spot just inside the gate where the lef...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 11th, 2016, 8:33 am
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 33214

Re: Dishonesty in government

Jacob,
You now have had a chance to ‘digest’ the many point of view that have been posted in this thread. So has your position remained unchanged? Or perhaps, do you now have a better understanding?

Richard F. Hoyer
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 10th, 2016, 9:56 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Question to Richard Hoyer regarding Rubber and Rosy boas
Replies: 11
Views: 4169

Re: Question to Richard Hoyer regarding Rubber and Rosy boas

Scottri, Although what I am about to post I covered sometime last year or the year before, I might as well fill in a few more ‘blanks’ for Scott. There are some peculiarities with respect to the distribution of various populations of the Rubber Boa in S. Calif. The Southern Rubber Boa subspecies pop...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 10th, 2016, 7:08 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Question to Richard Hoyer regarding Rubber and Rosy boas
Replies: 11
Views: 4169

Re: Question to Richard Hoyer regarding Rubber and Rosy boas

Scottriv, It seems to me that the Rosy Boa has some rather distinct morphs with respect to coloration. And I recall seeing something that suggests there also may be some size differences between some populations. In the Rubber Boa, the one major difference I have detected is where there appears to b...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 10th, 2016, 10:05 am
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Question to Richard Hoyer regarding Rubber and Rosy boas
Replies: 11
Views: 4169

Re: Question to Richard Hoyer regarding Rubber and Rosy boas

Scottriv., Just now saw your post so sorry for not responding sooner. It is clear to me you are more up to date on the historical aspects of the two species than myself. What you mention about distribution up to the end of the most recent ice age is similar to the speculation that myself, Richard To...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 8th, 2016, 9:25 am
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 33214

Re: Dishonesty in government

Jimi, I understand what you are saying about becoming involved and taking part in the process. I have now appeared three times before the Oregon Wildlife Commission with the last time this past June 9th. But what is missing is that if we had competent and honest leadership in state wildlife agencies...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 7th, 2016, 8:16 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 33214

Re: Dishonesty in government

Kelley Mc., The two other topics you mentioned were the Precautionary Principle and disease. Some time ago, I believe I posted my critique on the PP so I will not repeat that here. As for the issue of disease, once again I have not taken time to investigate the scientific literature with respect to ...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 6th, 2016, 4:00 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 33214

Re: Dishonesty in government

Kelly Mc, With my understanding of biological realities, back in the late 1960’s, I analyzed the issue of releasing snakes. I came to the conclusion that snakes captured then released were found should not pose any problem. I then put that analysis to practice. Over the years, I have released a numb...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 4th, 2016, 9:24 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 33214

Re: Dishonesty in government

dthor6, I urge you re-read my recent posts in response to Jacob. You should find answers to some of your questions. I generally try to keep my responses civil. But with you, I will make an exception. You need to learn that there are ways of disagreeing without being disagreeable. That being said, I ...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 4th, 2016, 8:06 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 33214

Re: Dishonesty in government

Kelly Mc., With respect to your latest question, here is where one needs to do some ‘homework’ in order to potentially understand any impact that incidental collecting by the public might have. And it is essential that one examine that issue with respect to the individual species. So here again, you...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 4th, 2016, 7:04 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 33214

Re: Dishonesty in government

Jacob, So back to your post. #1) I hope you would agree that the reason for having universities with majors in wildlife science it that graduate wildlife biologists use science based methods when assessing and managing species of wildlife. In the time you have been a student in wildlife science, has...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 4th, 2016, 6:30 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 33214

Re: Dishonesty in government

Jacob, Concerning your post, I have no real ‘quarrel’ with the rank and fine biologists employed by wildlife agencies. My displeasure is aimed at the current and past leadership of wildlife agencies. As for not being questioned by others on this forum, you may be right in this instance. But in the p...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 4th, 2016, 5:25 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 33214

Re: Dishonesty in government

Jacob, To give you some perspective, it wasn’t until my junior year in college that I finally understood why hunting and fishing did not deplete wildlife resources. That was when the head of the big game division of the Washington Wildlife agency came to OSU and gave a talk to our junior class or pe...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 3rd, 2016, 8:17 am
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 33214

Re: Dishonesty in government

Kelly Mc., Some of what you write is above my ability to comprehend. But in your latest post, I believe I get the gist of what you are saying. So when you refer to ‘subtexts’, if I understand correctly, you certainly are correct. As subtexts, you mention the ‘Precautionary Principle’, release of cap...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 2nd, 2016, 8:27 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 33214

Re: Dishonesty in government

Jacob, Thanks for taking the time to respond to my initial post. I will eventually answer your post later but it is late and I will be busy tomorrow. In the meantime, would you please tell me what you have been taught as to why it is possible to harvest game species year after year and still have su...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 2nd, 2016, 8:03 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 33214

Re: Dishonesty in government

Kelly Mc., As you might note, I use the terms ‘harvest’ and ‘harvesting’ in reference to wildlife resources. During my undergraduate days in Fisheries and Wildlife at Oregon State U. (1951 – 1955), wildlife was mentioned as being a crop of the land. And thus those terms were routinely used here at O...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 2nd, 2016, 8:00 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 33214

Re: Dishonesty in government

stlouisdude, It is a given the most members of the public do not understand the basic principles that govern wildlife populations. Thus, the general public can be ‘excused’ for not understanding why is it possibly to harvest species of wildlife without depleting such resources. But for the past 19 y...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 2nd, 2016, 7:56 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 33214

Re: Dishonesty in government

Tom, The best that might be said for the practice of listing non-game species as ‘protected’ is that possibly it might have some slight symbolic value. But even if that were the case, such symbolic value still represents a form of deceit as listing non-game species in a protected status has absolute...
by Richard F. Hoyer
July 1st, 2016, 8:53 am
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Dishonesty in government
Replies: 121
Views: 33214

Dishonesty in government

A prior thread identified a case of fraudulent behavior by a governmental agency. I believe such behavior in government is more widespread than most would imagine. On occasion, I have thought about contacting some major media outlet to see if they would undertake an exposé story by documenting the v...
by Richard F. Hoyer
June 28th, 2016, 2:39 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: CA Chapter trip to Kennedy Meadows June 24-26, 2016
Replies: 40
Views: 22254

Re: CA Chapter trip to Kennedy Meadows June 24-26, 2016

I wish to express my appreciation to the individuals that were able to attend the S. Kern Plateau herp search this past weekend. Those that were present, of which I am aware, were Jeff Nordland and his sons Trevor and Brady, Matt Gruen, Robert and Nicholas Hess, Mark Buck, Ben Delancey. Chris Patnau...
by Richard F. Hoyer
June 20th, 2016, 10:55 am
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Anyone know any Good Campsites along North Coast?
Replies: 4
Views: 2611

Re: Anyone know any Good Campsites along North Coast?

Brian, For a few years, we camped at Van Damme State Park in Mendicino Co. It has the features you mention. It is located north of where Hwy. 128 intersects Hwy 1 and is a few miles north of Albion. The park is south of Fort Bragg and where Hwy. 20 intersects Hwy. 1 It was in 1998 that a little over...
by Richard F. Hoyer
June 19th, 2016, 9:18 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Counting Subcaudal Scales?
Replies: 6
Views: 3389

Re: Counting Subcaudal Scales?

MCHerper, Not so quick of an answer. What species are you interested in and does it have caudals that are divided or entire? For taxonomic purposes, I have recorded caudals counts in three species two of which have divided caudals and one with entire caudals. The latter species is the Rubber Boa whi...
by Richard F. Hoyer
June 18th, 2016, 8:21 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: CA Chapter trip to Kennedy Meadows June 24-26, 2016
Replies: 40
Views: 22254

Re: CA Chapter trip to Kennedy Meadows June 24-26, 2016

Robert H., This is sort of a follow-up that relates to what I sent you in my private message about my mark / recapture efforts with the boa. One of my main Rubber Boa study sites is bisected by a large creek, about 40 feet wide. The main part of the site is on the east side of the creek. Once there ...