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by Richard F. Hoyer
September 30th, 2017, 3:31 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Post 9/30 E As for my views being narrow, I plead guilty. If that implies I unequivocally disapprove of wildlife agencies violating their own guiding principles of using a science-based approach to managing non-game species, I am guilty. If that implies I consider it to be unprofessional and unethic...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 30th, 2017, 3:30 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Post 9/30 D I have mentioned just how important is leadership. I am fairly certain you (and Bryan?) understand just how bogus is the common wildlife agency policy of placing species in a ‘protected’ status. Such a practice has zero conservation value. Now there are two possibly explanations that com...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 30th, 2017, 3:29 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Post 9/30 C As for the issue of ‘threats’, that in itself is a very ‘bad joke’ to say the least. Most, if not all identified threats are in fact, faced by all species across the board, not just the species singled out for review as candidates for some type of listing. To indicate such ‘threats’,as i...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 30th, 2017, 3:28 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Post 9/30 B Quote: “Stating it briefly, managers need to manage in the face of some serious information deficiencies. Managers do not have the ability to wait until we have perfect information, invariably we have to make a judgement call about when we have "good enough to start with". Putting it ano...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 30th, 2017, 3:26 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Post 9/30 A Jimi’s Sept. 26th post contains many interesting issues. I will start my comments with what is mentioned at the end of his post. I appreciate the candor in your Sept. 26th post but wonder if you realize just how revealing is that information. What you mention confirms all of my prior und...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 26th, 2017, 11:39 am
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Jimi, Our understanding of the Natural Heritage / NatureServe methods and the process used to arrive at ranking results are absolutely identical. In fact, by adding a few more details, you supported and completely confirmed my position that such ranking results are unadulterated junk science at it f...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 24th, 2017, 8:38 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Chris, I am very aware of how journalists can ‘doctor’ information. In my first post of Sept. 1, I mentioned the following: “Journalists often take liberties. But if the above quotes are reasonably accurate, they reveal a lack of understanding my biologist Jones. The reason I gave credence to the qu...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 24th, 2017, 6:02 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

In referring to the NDOW maintaining a data base on species, can anyone tell me if the NDOW has a data base on the Rubber Boa? If they do, I presume it is not possible to access that data base. Individuals have the mistaken opinion that information on localities would lead to negative impacts on pop...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 24th, 2017, 1:51 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Jimi, With respect to your Sept. 21 post, what you mention about being critical is on target. I agree with part of your characterization of Jason Jones as most individual fit a similar profile. But if Jason in the same Jason Jones that posted on PARC, early on this forum ?, or perhaps on the Kingsna...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 24th, 2017, 11:27 am
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Jimi, With respect to your Sept. 21 post, I do not know where to find, nor do I recall what you mentioned about Nature Serve. So what I mention below may not match your understanding of the NatureServe organization. In reading the various NatureServe web sites, most individuals would believe these o...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 22nd, 2017, 7:15 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Jimi,
I have thoroughly reviewed all that I could find on NatureServe, their methods, and ranking results. But if you would steer me to what you mention about NatureServe, I will review that information and see if it dovetails with what I found and my assessment.

Richard F. Hoyer
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 19th, 2017, 9:35 am
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

One Sept. 3, I sent the NDOW the request copied below. Have yet to received a response. The email address I used was [email protected].org I may have sent my request to the wrong source. Perhaps Bryan or Jimi, could you see if you can obtain the requested information or know of a better source in the ND...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 18th, 2017, 9:43 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Ernie, It is refreshing to observe someone else use critical thinking skills to examine issues. I understand your last post perfectly. In a somewhat different manner, I was trying to make the similar point without going on and on as I tend to do. But the mistake I believe we both make is that we thi...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 18th, 2017, 8:49 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

In examining the NDOW Wildlife Diversity Division, it mentions the following: “It has been the responsibility of the personnel in the Wildlife Diversity Division to compile division data on the abundance and distribution of many of the less well-known wildlife species of Nevada. The division has tak...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 18th, 2017, 9:58 am
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Odds and Ends #3 From the 8/27/17 article by Daniel Rothberg; ““There is significant mortality of reptiles due to large numbers (700+) of unpermitted pitfall traps,” one NDOW administrator wrote in a memo ahead of the July commission meeting.” Comment: Can anyone on this forum identify just how much...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 18th, 2017, 9:52 am
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Odds and Ends #2 Neither power point document contains reference to the fact that there are other states that have commercial harvest of reptiles and amphibians. Do you think that was just an unintentional oversight on the part of Jason Jones and Jennifer Newmark? Both documents emphasize that Nevad...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 18th, 2017, 7:50 am
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Odds and Ends #1 In the article by By Ken Botkin, Las Vegas Review – Journal Sept. 3, 2017: “An outright ban threatened his livelihood, but Bentz said he neither needs nor wants unlimited reptile collection.” “Bentz said he sent a proposal to state wildlife officials that would limit the collecting ...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 16th, 2017, 9:43 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Steve S. The advice you gave me was just repeated my Dr. Jeff Boundy of Louisiana on the main form under the thread, ”Herpetologists - you can help save Nevada's reptiles “ But just to make myself ‘feel better’, I sent a revised draft of my comments to the Nevada Commissioners (see below). I also se...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 16th, 2017, 8:57 pm
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Herpetologists - you can help save Nevada's reptiles
Replies: 37
Views: 13761

Re: Herpetologists - you can help save Nevada's reptiles

J.B. If you haven't done so, and if you can put up with more excessive verbiage from that Orygun fellow, this topic began with a link posted by Bryan Hamilton on August 30th on the News forum (“State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada”) In a recent post, I was informed by a forme...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 16th, 2017, 9:47 am
Forum: The Forum
Topic: Herpetologists - you can help save Nevada's reptiles
Replies: 37
Views: 13761

Re: Herpetologists - you can help save Nevada's reptiles

To be credible, you need to identify yourself. And if you are affiliated with an organization such as the Center for Biological Diversity, Natural Heritage, etc., that information should be known as well. If you choose not to divulge such information, that would speak for itself. Richard F. Hoyer
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 15th, 2017, 8:56 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Part #5: Final Analysis: So I now refer back to just now totally nutty is the perceptions by NDOW personnel who implied that the commercial collecting of reptiles can harm the overall populations of reptiles in Nevada such as the Leopard Lizard. Consider the following: From the document by Jennifer ...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 15th, 2017, 8:54 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Part 4: Densities and Population Estimates: Research describing the methods for ascertaining species’ densities vary from being very complex to being very simple such as just counting members of a species over an area of known size. But researchers are reluctant to provide estimates of overall popul...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 15th, 2017, 8:53 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Part #3: Information Analysis: Now before I go any further, there will be individuals that have the urge to say that nothing that I will be mentioning would pass as being scientific, subject to statistical treatment, publishable, etc. etc. And that would be correct. But what I have covered thus far,...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 15th, 2017, 8:51 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Part #2: Deer and Lizards in Nevada: In reviewing the species of reptiles commercial collectors harvest in Nevada, most are species of lizards. Having traveled through a good deal of Nevada at one time or another, much of the habitat in the state appears to be lizard friendly. Yet I assume there are...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 15th, 2017, 8:50 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Part #1: Background Information: Quite a few years ago, my son Ryan in Utah mentioned I might be interested in joining the national PARC ListServe web site indicating he thought some misinformation / misunderstandings occurred on that web site. At the time, the PARC membership was comprised of state...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 15th, 2017, 8:48 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Steve S. indicated any proposed comments I might have for the Nevada Commissioners was likely a waste time for two reasons. I was a non-resident of Nevada and that it was far to late in the game. So as I mentioned, I went back to splitting fire wood. I finished that task this morning. So then I went...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 13th, 2017, 7:46 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Steve S. Since you mentioned the that because I am a non-resident and it is too late in the game, then sending input to the Commissioners seems unwarranted. Below was what I had prepared for the Commission but it seems all was just a waste of time. No big deal however. I will just go back to finishi...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 13th, 2017, 2:37 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Steve S. Below I have copied what was mentioned at the end of the article that accompanied the power point document by Jason Jones. It was this narrative that led me to believe that the pit fall traps were not a critical issue. That is not to say the unwarranted and unnecessary loss of animal life c...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 13th, 2017, 12:57 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Steve, I found your post as very well thought out and reasonable. I mentioned somewhere that assessing situations long distance has hazards. So some of the details you mention certainly are of importance. For some reason, I did not consider that it was the commercial collectors that were installing ...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 12th, 2017, 7:14 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Chris,
Maybe the term 'senile' would be for fitting.

RFH
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 12th, 2017, 6:23 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Jimi, As I just now posted, I have been working on a draft for this thread in which I attempt to provide a different method for understanding the current issue of commercial harvest of reptiles in Nevada. The first draft was sooooooo long that I will break it into a series of posts. I am not finishe...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 12th, 2017, 5:52 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Bryan, As I mentioned previously, I have always had reservations about the pet trade in reptiles and amphibians. The profit motive can produce problems along with the very reason you mention. I venture to say that most captive specimens either end up dying of neglect or when individuals lack the kno...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 12th, 2017, 4:33 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Below are links to two other articles I found in my Google search. It can be seen that Jones and Newmark appear to perceive that the numbers of reptiles harvested represent a decline in reptile populations. Such an interpretation demonstrates a lack of critical thinking. Richard F. Hoyer +++++++++++...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 12th, 2017, 3:42 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Bryan, You very well could be right, that I am going off the deep end. But isn’t that to be considered normal for a person about to turn 84 (next month)? I know it is only wishing thinking on my part, but I would really like to see the conservation movement return to ethical standards. What irks me ...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 12th, 2017, 1:23 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Some time ago, I considered trying to contact the head of the NDOW Wildlife Diversity Division, Jennifer Newmark, to see if she would change her stance if I were to present her with information she had not considered. Today, I Goolged her name and came up where it describes her appointment as the ad...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 12th, 2017, 9:22 am
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

First, all of the posts I have submitted in this thread are more for my benefit than for others. In my attempt to review issues, I find it helps if I put my thoughts in writing. In that regard, I will be submitting a series of posts that pertain to this issue. The more I have delved into what has tr...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 11th, 2017, 9:05 am
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Bryan Hamilton began this thread by posting a link to an article that included a power point by NDOW biologist Jason Jones. However, there is another power point entitled “Commercial Collection of Reptiles” produced by Jennifer Newmark, the head of the NDOW Wildlife Diversity Division? PDF] Commerci...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 10th, 2017, 3:42 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Off and on I have been checking the news about hurricane Irma in Florida as my eldest son Randall and family live in Fort Myers. Just now back to the computer and I see no one has yet commented on my last post. Although the table produced by Jason Jones mentions ‘Horned Lizards’, I assume the Desert...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 10th, 2017, 9:53 am
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

From the information Jason Jones showed in one of his tables, the species harvested in the greatest numbers by one collector were Horned Lizards, the Leopard Lizard, and Collared Lizard. So I have begun efforts towards calculating ball park estimates of the populations of those species in Nevada. I ...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 7th, 2017, 5:37 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Jeroea, “If you just don't collect, it will (obviously) usually be even better.” I ask, why do you believe that to be the case? Consider that humans are just one of many predators of ‘prey’ species.’ So would be better if no predators removed any prey species from the wild? And why single out just h...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 7th, 2017, 2:22 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Jeroea,
Correction: Inserted the word 'not'.

An example I have given in the past is that despite worms having exceeding high reproductive rates, we do not find ourselves being over run by worms.
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 7th, 2017, 11:05 am
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Jeroea, An additional clarification: There is a basic principle of populations that explains why species tend to remain at equilibrium and neither increase or decrease in an appreciable manner. An example I have given in the past is that despite worms having exceeding high reproductive rates, we do ...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 6th, 2017, 9:28 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

E.E., I can’t disagree with anything you mention as essentially, much of it is identical to my understanding and experience. Submitting documentation and providing testimony before the Calif. and Oregon Wildlife Commissions has been a complete waste of energy and time. The Commissioners put complete...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 6th, 2017, 8:53 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

The distribution of the Chuckwalla in Nevada, as shown in the Stebbins field guide, occurs in about 1/8th. of the southern part of the state. Is there anyone familiar with the species in Nevada that can provide information as to just how wide spread is the habitat in southern Nevada in which the Chu...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 6th, 2017, 8:19 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Jeroea, I struggle with written communications so it appears that unintentionally, I conveyed an incorrect inference. So both of your first two sentences are correct as they match my understanding. Even though through reproduction, species create a surplus of their numbers, most species are consider...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 6th, 2017, 9:36 am
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

E.E., As for the presentation, a good deal of the details in graphs, tables, and figures are not legible and some are lacking an explanation. What can be gleaned from the information suggests to me that the presentation was based mainly on an emotional approach rather than on a scientific approach. ...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 5th, 2017, 10:17 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

E.E., You inquired about possible scams. In my latest post, I identified two wildlife agency policies I consider as being corrupt. Those policies then lead to three ways in which the public is scammed by wildlife agencies. 1) Wildlife agencies list species in some category of conservation concern so...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 5th, 2017, 9:51 am
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

Ernie, You posed the following question: “What do you call someone that intentionally present's information that is misleading to sway opinion's ?” I consider this entire situation as being unprofessional and unethical. In fact, I will go one step further by stating such behavior represent corrupt p...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 4th, 2017, 9:14 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

There is some chance in the prior three posts, I may have erred (other than spelling typos). I will try to amend any mistakes others identify. The following is something for Ernie E. to consider. Bryan is correct when he mentioned “Their biologists are not stupid. They are not scam artists.” I concu...
by Richard F. Hoyer
September 4th, 2017, 9:05 pm
Forum: News
Topic: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Nevada
Replies: 235
Views: 240279

Re: State pushes to tighten wild reptile collection rules-Ne

At least one of the NDOW links contain reference to the Natural Heritage Organization / NatureServe ranking results. I got the sense the agency made use of NatureServe rankings in some manner but did not explore that facet. If the agency did use NatureServe ranking results in conjunction with their ...